The hazekiller coefficient

[Aliroz-The-Confused]

2 hours ago, Frustration said:

I'd agree with @therunner that just adding aluminum would not make it that much deadlier. However I think it would still be useful in slowing the radiant down, as based on how long it took(shoot what was Lady Sadeas's first name again?) to die it appears to be a very fast acting neurotoxin. It likely would heal quickly as the aluminum and blackbane separated, but it could be a form of quick but temporary paralysis.

Her name was Ialai.

[ParaTulip fae/faer (declines as she/her)]

4 hours ago, Frustration said:

I have to disagree with those numbers for fourth ideal Radiants however, yes Wax can break plate in 2-3 shots, but Wax can also tap Iron and burn steel to get more power out of his shots.

I doubt Wax is using the pinnacle of anti-armor firearms. While Pewterarms are tough to put down, actual anti-tank style weapons would not have been developed in his time due to there not having been the trench -> tank -> anti-tank weapon arms evolution. My personal oktaku fave of this geaneology is this : The PTRD-41 . It is a two person weapon that disables a tank. It does not destroy the tank, but it can disable tracks or pierce side when lucky. Noble weapon in my mind.

The heavy machine gun especially makes it so just about anyone who is relying on armor that wears down when taking small arms damage is radically disadvantaged. Or modern artillery. 

I imagine the pre-Catecendre "guy fighting with glass daggers and wooden canes" type of warrior is never going to come up again, and the Era 2 kill squads use the modern weapons of the time. The nearest semantic thing to a kill squad is a "Death Squad" but those are a pretty heavy subject.

[Immortal Platypus]

5 hours ago, Frustration said:

(shoot what was Lady Sadeas's first name again?)

 

Ialai or some such

oops. Didn't see that this had already been posted. oh well

Edited January 16 by Immortal Platypus

[Frustration]

1 hour ago, ParaTulip said:

I doubt Wax is using the pinnacle of anti-armor firearms. While Pewterarms are tough to put down, actual anti-tank style weapons would not have been developed in his time due to there not having been the trench -> tank -> anti-tank weapon arms evolution. My personal oktaku fave of this geaneology is this : The PTRD-41 . It is a two person weapon that disables a tank. It does not destroy the tank, but it can disable tracks or pierce side when lucky. Noble weapon in my mind.

I'd agree that anti-tank weapons could do the job, but here we weren't talking about anti-tank weapons, just standard guns. Really only Taldain might, have anti-tank weapons right now.

1 hour ago, ParaTulip said:

The heavy machine gun especially makes it so just about anyone who is relying on armor that wears down when taking small arms damage is radically disadvantaged. Or modern artillery.

Shardshields.

1 hour ago, ParaTulip said:

I imagine the pre-Catecendre "guy fighting with glass daggers and wooden canes" type of warrior is never going to come up again, and the Era 2 kill squads use the modern weapons of the time.

I'd agree, but I feel the same archetype will stick around

[Qianweilian He/him]

10 hours ago, Frustration said:

I'd agree that anti-tank weapons could do the job, but here we weren't talking about anti-tank weapons, just standard guns. Really only Taldain might, have anti-tank weapons right now.

I mean, anti tank rounds aren't that complicated compared to regular guns. Ranette even made her "big gun" that would probably do the job if adapted. If our hazekiller squad knew what plate was (assuming yes, considering that they have blackbane), then they could easily make something to kill a radiant. 

10 hours ago, Frustration said:

Shardshields.

Are these hazekillers "allowed" to use anti investiture? If yes, then this ceases to be an issue. In fact, it would make doug/blackbane rounds far more effective.

[Frustration]

1 hour ago, Qianweilian said:

I mean, anti tank rounds aren't that complicated compared to regular guns. Ranette even made her "big gun" that would probably do the job if adapted. If our hazekiller squad knew what plate was (assuming yes, considering that they have blackbane), then they could easily make something to kill a radiant. 

 

Anti-tank weapons are way more complicated than you might think.

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/C4NmOss83XI?si=8pn9_8t2ygRmfOX3

Note that shardplate exploding outward is a form of explosive reactive armor, and one they can likely improve upon.

1 hour ago, Qianweilian said:

Are these hazekillers "allowed" to use anti investiture? If yes, then this ceases to be an issue. In fact, it would make doug/blackbane rounds far more effective.

How so?

Raysium daggers touch anti-voidlight multiple times in RoW with no issues.

Shardshields would be unaffected.

 

I did think of a new use for blackbane though, mostly because of their ability to attack the nervous system, which if done effectively enough could stop a radiant from inhaling storm/tower/war light.

Edited January 16 by Frustration

[therunner he/him]

1 hour ago, Frustration said:

I did think of a new use for blackbane though, mostly because of their ability to attack the nervous system, which if done effectively enough could stop a radiant from inhaling storm/tower/war light.

As seen from Eshonai in WoR, and Kaladin in RoW, physical act of breathing is not necessary to get in Stormlight, it is the Intent to breathe it in. 

So this would likely not work at all, similarly to how Allomancer body can start burning metals to keep them alive, the Intent to breathe in Stormlight to save themselves would be likely sufficient.

EDIT: WoB on the subject
 

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yulerule

One quick one: Stormlight breathing. Do you actually need to physically inhale or can you cognitively inhale? Like I can think about inhaling without actually inhaling?

Brandon Sanderson

You—this is possible, and—

yulerule

Okay, like if you're trapped and you can't breathe, but you can think about breathing.

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah, yeah. That would be fine.

Arcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016)

 

Edited January 16 by therunner

[Frustration]

16 minutes ago, therunner said:

As seen from Eshonai in WoR, and Kaladin in RoW, physical act of breathing is not necessary to get in Stormlight, it is the Intent to breathe it in. 

So this would likely not work at all, similarly to how Allomancer body can start burning metals to keep them alive, the Intent to breathe in Stormlight to save themselves would be likely sufficient.

EDIT: WoB on the subject
 

 

Huh, I thought Kaladin specifically couldn't inhale stormlight from spheres while he was Underwater in RoW. I'll have to double check that

[therunner he/him]

2 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Huh, I thought Kaladin specifically couldn't inhale stormlight from spheres while he was Underwater in RoW. I'll have to double check that

I remember it being difficult for him, but I think he ended up succeeding? 
Either way, Eshonai proves that it is possible.