Sapphire Elephant Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Mauve Crocodile said: @Melon Dingo Adonalsium Storming Reborn sighs deeply Fool, that Sphere you so Recklessly Smashed could have Sustained you for One Threnodite Month. Dost thee not Recognize Unkeyed Light when thou Holds it within the Palm of thy Hand?? Thus Pearls are Thrown before Swine and Trampled underfoot. @Mint Heron They turn to Zense, and there are tear tracks down their cheeks, perhaps the first sign the crew has ever seen on their face of emotions that aren't anger or pride. Zense... I Confess. A Song I have not Heard in a Lifetime... You bring an Old Soul to the Brink of Tears. You have my Deepest Gratitude. Let these Tears you see Shining in My Eyes be a Commendation to Thee and Thy Instrument for as long as the Cosmere endures. He straightens. Now. To Work! How do we e'en Compress the Length of a Day into a small Speech? I shall Endeavor to Look at Entrances and Vote Patterns to try and Form a General Overall Impression. It is a Daunting Task, but Adonalsium Storming Reborn shall Give into the Cosmere Nothing but their Very Best Effort! Crew are Listed in Order of Appearance. (Okay I tried to write in character but this is already a big complicated post and the random capitalization makes it harder so I'm just talking normally you're welcome everyone. Current system I'm working with is starting e! and changing with proven helpfulness, so if I'm reading neutral, I'm assigning e! lean. Reads (Editing because its so long I'm putting it in a spoiler box) Hide contents Taupe Gecko: H.E.A.R.T.H. a somewhat lazy robot. e!lean 1. votes on me for Rp reasons 2. votes on Dragonfly for not being very clear. General thoughts: @Taupe Gecko I don't actually begrudge genuine business, but asking other people to do vote counts and include reasoning for trains is a bit much if you're not also willing to engage and put in effort. Still, now that I have put in this effort, any thoughts? Ivory Dragonfly: Echo. They Seem able to only Mimic, Unable to Utter Words of their Own. v!lean 1. Votes on Zebra, Guess. 2. Switches to Octopus for Voting on Meerkat on a guess. 3. Changes vote to Toucan. General thoughts: I actually really like @Ivory Dragonfly. They're really putting themselves in a corner here with their chosen cosmetic role. I'm with Heron in that they are genuinely giving thoughts and reads. We'll need more soon, but it's no reason to vote them out yet. I do think the switch to Octopus was a little weird given that it was a poke vote, and I want to hear your reasons for voting Toucan? Scarlet Octopus: Chiji Kaido, Ironeyes follower. e!lean 1. Votes on Meerkat, a Guess. 2. Annoyed at Dragonfly for Seeming Defensive of Meerkat by Switching to them. 3. Switches to Dragonfly after Meerkat Shows Up. General Thoughts: Honestly it's kind of a blank here. I think their annoyance at Dragonfly switching to them is justified. Still e!lean for now because I'm reading neutral. @Scarlet Octopus I respect your vote, is there anyone else you don't like right now? Sunburst Toucan: Ophelia Desci (Forgetful) e!lean 1. Votes on Elephant, A Guess. Drawing a blank here so e!lean. @Sunburst Toucan are you keeping your vote on elephant? Sage Kangaroo: Isabel Kho Lin (Silverist) v!lean 1. Votes on Myself, RP. 2. Votes on Dragonfly after Octopus' Switch. Has been pretty helpful in keeping up with the thread and posting vote counts. Their vote switch didn't come off as weird to me because of previous rp with Octopus about Dragonfly's switch. @Sage Kangaroo What are your thoughts on other players? perhaps Octopus themselves? Violet Axolotl: Fletcher (Past Lives)e!lean 1. Appears Early, but Does not Vote. 2. Votes on Kangaroo after Iguana does, RP. Seems pretty opportunistic to me. Doesn't even really give a reason for switching. @Violet Axolotl I'm adding to the pressure, I suppose. What do you feel about Kangaroo, and do you have any other suspects? Indigo Weasel: Third of the Tide (Liar)e!lean 1. Votes on Dragonfly, RP/Guess. 2. Explains Later it was a Poke Vote and they will Analyze based on Responses. Neutral until @Indigo Weasel come back and tell us if they learned anything. You did offer! Magenta Albatross: Rane Cauthon (Gambler)e!lean 1. Appears, no Votes. Wants to Gamble. 2. Votes on Meerkat, RP/Dice Roll. 3. Likes Heron, me, Kangaroo. I somewhat agree with Heron that there's some difference between a poke vote that's random and just intended to see if they talk/anything happens and announcing you're voting based off dice. There's even less pressure there than a regular poke vote. @Magenta Albatross Do you have any more solid thoughts right now? Melon Dingo: Stormseeker the Wise (Returned) A Little Stupid v!lean 1. Votes on Iguana for Not Being Here. 2. Posts Reads with Explicit Likes and Dislikes Likes: Kangaroo, Heron, Me. Dislikes: Axolotl, Iguana. 3. Votes Axolotl for being active and Rping but only voting right after someone else votes on Kangaroo. Analysis and reads are good. Gave an explanation for their vote. No questions right now. Quartz Zebra: Finch. Rude, has a Awakened Box that Judges Footwear. v!lean 1. Does not Vote in First Appearance. 2. Votes on Me, Guess. 3. Clarifies after it was a Pressure Test and I Reacted Too Defensively. As said above, I respect the pressure voting tactic. The voting and more importantly the follow up is sound, I'll give you that. I just want to be know I'm being judged for my actual gameplay and not my RP. Otherwise, @Quartz Zebra I want to hear if you have thoughts on any other players besides me, please. Saffron Iguana: Arnold Johnson (obsessively Neat) e!lean 1. Votes Kangaroo for RP. 2. Asks Meerkat why they're Suspicious of Trains. Not really giving us anything. The first vote is fine, the question feels like fluff because there isn't really a follow up. @Saffron Iguana any follow up? Any non-Rp votes? Salmon Meerkat: Dugh Thomas (Arrogant) e!lean 1. Votes Dragonfly for Not Making Sense. 2. Switches Vote to Leave Train, votes Kangaroo for Switching Votes. Entered with a few votes already on them, so they vote for the person who first voted them. Then when a train began forming on Dragonfly, jumped off and votes on Kangaroo for joining their vote? It feels jumpy, but I understand being weirded out by a train forming unopposed. Still neutral for now so e!lean. @Salmon Meerkat Do you actually still suspect Dragonfly, and would you have stayed on them if not for two more votes following yours? Sapphire Elephant: Klin (Merchant) e!lean 1. Appears, Posts Vote Count but Does Not Vote. 2. After much conversation, votes Meerkat for being too willing to change votes. Lot of Rp, enjoying it. Vote has reasoning. Not really giving me much to go on though. Does make a distinction between Kangaroo and Meerkat in that they think Meerkat was trying not to draw attention to themselves? @Sapphire Elephant What are your thoughts beyond Kangaroo and Meerkat? Onyx Flamingo: Frisk (Past Lives) e!lean Appears. Mainly just asks for catchup. Has not voted or given any game-related thoughts. @Onyx Flamingo I've done my best to summarize my thoughts and major happeninsg. care to make a vote now? Oxblood Beagle: Levin (Past Lives) v!lean 1. Appears. 2. Votes Axolotl for RP. Later makes a Very Good and Detailed Summation Which I Like Quite a Lot. 3. Votes on Elephant for perceived hypocrisy re: dragonfly and meerkat Likes: Crocodile, Heron, Dingo, Dragonfly, Octopus Dislikes: Kangaroo, Axolotl, Elephant. I genuinely really appreciated your summary. I was already doing my own but yours was concise and formatted to read well and showed a flow through the day. Your vote reasoning is also pretty solid. In conclusion, I like you. No questions right now. Mint Heron: Zense (Ship's Musician) v!lean 1. Appears. Does some Analysis. Votes on Dingo. Asks many Questions of Many Players. 2. Later Switches Vote to Axolotl without Much reason. Another player I really like just because of how much they're asking questions and making other players answer them. I wish they'd give some reasoning for the votes they're making, but its effort being put into making people talk more than just RP, which I appreciate. no questions right now. Also excuse me for giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you wrote the song! (joke) @Plum Rhinoceros @Pearl Chameleon @Opal Lion Not here. Adolnasium this is a monster of a post. Getting there. In conclusion, 1. Actively like right now are Dragonfly, Heron, Beagle, Zebra, Dingo, and Kangaroo. 2. Passively neutral reads on Octopus, Gecko, Meerkat, Weasel if they come back and talk more. 3. Actively find unhelpful so far Flamingo, Iguana, Gecko 4. Would vote on Elephant, Axolotl, Albatross. I think they kind of strike the same theme in that they're active and Rping but not saying much game-related but then suddenly being willing to join forming trains. I did a quick glance in my previous post about those who were the second to hop on existing votes, and Kangaroo and Meerkat were on the list too, but they at least have been willing to answer questions which moved them up to neutral or liked. 5. just not enough of a presence Toucan, Rhinoceros, Chameleon, Lion I think, at this juncture, I don't want Dragonfly dead, and I don't want to start a new train. I'm willing to move my vote from Meerkat to Axolotl, bringing them closer to Dragonfly. Current count: Mauve crocodile:(1) zebra Salmon meerkat:(2) albatross, elephant Sapphire Elephant:(2) toucan, beagle Scarlet octopus:(1) dragonfly Ivory dragonfly:(4) kangaroo, octopus, weasel, gecko Sage kangaroo:(3) iguana, axolotl, meerkat Violet axolotl:(3) dingo, heron, crocodile It's not Kangaroo and Meerkat, it's Dragonfly and Meerkat. I don't really have many other reads, since I mostly just skimmed over everything that happened when I was asleep. Crocodile/Adonalsium is slightly v!leaning, since again, I don't think an elim would draw so much attention. Similar thing with Melon Dingo and the announcement that they need Breath.
Indigo Weasel Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) @Mauve Crocodile thanks for the reminder, I kinda forgot, I’ve been busy, but here are my thoughts. And this is up to until I say I poke voted, which changes how people react to it. First off, I didn’t get voted in that time frame, so most likely I did not hit an Elim. There didn’t seem to be any retaliation or defense going on. All the counter trains happened after I said it was a poke vote, so I’ll ignore those for now. On 1/4/2026 at 11:19 AM, Ivory Dragonfly said: No, no living tineye I propose Our crew possess a messager Not using a tineye medallion Our crew: Unsavory Types +1 Kandra Our Good +1 Full complement Here, seems like potential TMI, how would they know that we have a messenger that’s not a Tineye? There’s no reason to assume that. Either Dragonfly is referencing themself this gives e!lean, but I’m lot convinced that dragonfly actually is yet, especially considering no indication of retaliation or counter trains until after I say my vote was a poke vote. On 1/4/2026 at 12:18 PM, Salmon Meerkat said: Dugh Thomas run. Sabotage! He knew this was going to happen; if only they had put him in charge! He wouldn't have allowed this...this perfidy to occur! "I can't believe this," he grumbled. "They should have listened to me, those idiots! What a lousy engineering crew we have -- me excluded, of course." The wire he was talking to didn't respond. "I mean, they should have seen this coming! If they had just bothered to let me do anything important!" The wire he was talking to didn't respond. "Fine! FINE! You get your way! I'll go and talk to the others, no matter how stupid they are." He stood up and walked away from the wire, entering the common area. "All right!" Heads turned. "This ship is going down" -- there were muttered "duh"s -- "and it seems that it's up to me to figure out who did it. From what I've heard from yonder..." he paused, "yonder... faculties... it seems that Ivory Dragonfly isn't making much sense, and I hate when people don't make sense. Explain yourself!" This seems to be an attack based on Rp, which was decided before we were given our roles and alignments. It’s possible that Dragonfly came up with their specific Rp because of how easy it is to mislead/avoid the question, but while it’s frustrating, doesn’t give any hints to whether E!lean or V!lean. So I think this is just Meerkat looking for an excuse to vote Dragonfly, E!lean. On 1/4/2026 at 12:43 PM, Scarlet Octopus said: "Rusting would be god. Ironeyes take us all if he really is who he claims to be." Chiji stands and starts walking down the hallway, "let's see..." He starts considering many things that could be true. "It'd help if I had a rusting vote count." Salmon Meerkat thanks for joining us. I revoke my poke vote. Only to now also vote on Ivory Dragonfly, who, as previously stated, seems to have changed their vote on a whim Now here, it’s due to Dragonfly changing their vote. Which makes sense. Not giving a reason, is fine. I’d dismiss this except for the timing of all these posts. On 1/4/2026 at 1:07 PM, Sage Kangaroo said: Isabel thinks then says quietly almost to her self “this whole things a disaster…” ivory dragonfly No reason, the same thing Scarlet Octopus votes Dragonfly for. The problem is that all three of these votes happened right after one another, and all of them don’t seem to have much of an explanation(exception being Octopus). This makes me want to give an E!lean on all three. however, we have the following which happened shortly after. On 1/4/2026 at 3:22 PM, Salmon Meerkat said: It was mainly a poke vote, and I didn't know that there was a train forming. I'm always suspicious of those who join trains on C1, and (Ivory Dragonfly) Sage Kangaroo didn't seem to have a lot of reason for their vote. --------------------------- Dugh was angry. How could everyone be so wrong? He wasn't sure about Echo, but so many others did. Those idiots! Couldn't they see that they could be wrong? "Morons" he muttered. "I'm the only one who understands." This, makes sense. And implies a V!lean Meerkat, so I’m willing to let slide the E!lean from his earlier post. For Octopus as well, there’s some reasoning. I think Sage Kangaroo because while the timing is very weird with all three, Octopus has actual reasoning, and Meerkat calls out Kangaroo on it their lack of reasoning. While it is possible that all three are elims, and Meerkat was trying to make the situation less suspicious, in both cases Kangaroo is Elim and should be voted out. So it’s a fairly safe bet. Time for some Rp: Third watched the coordination, one after another, three votes all on the same person, each lacking in reasoning. “My good friend, and God-King of Hallendren told me to always watch for patterns, and thanks to my training under the Azish Prime, I feel confident in saying that that pattern is not natural, but a indication of deceit.” Third of the Tide cast his vote, “Always hedge your bets, that’s what I learned from one of the greatest gamblers in Shinovar, luckily, they also taught me about being wrong.” Third turned his stare to Isabel(Sage Kangaroo) ”Your Move.” Edit: Spoiler I just realized I wasn’t clear about this. This is only analyzing what happened between me voting Dragonfly, and saying voting Dragonfly was a poke vote, as saying that changes how people react. This doesn’t say anything about the stuff after that point. I haven’t analyzed past that partly because the Rp makes it hard, and partly because D1 is difficult to read. Edited January 6 by Indigo Weasel
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 6 Posted January 6 I'm noticing some discrepancies between my vote count, and the vote counts that some of you are posting. I think mine is correct, but I'll be double checking a few more times before Day 1 ends in just over 12 hours. Violet Axolotl (4): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile Sunburst Toucan (1): Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (3): Salmon Meerkat, Saffron Iguana, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo
Indigo Weasel Posted January 6 Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said: I'm noticing some discrepancies between my vote count, and the vote counts that some of you are posting. I think mine is correct, but I'll be double checking a few more times before Day 1 ends in just over 12 hours. Violet Axolotl (4): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile Sunburst Toucan (1): Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (3): Salmon Meerkat, Saffron Iguana, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Huh, I accidentally caused a tie. Considering it’s d1 though, that’s a pretty good situation to be in, I suppose. Third blinked. He hadn’t considered that… well, time to role with it ”And so, you can see my masterful mind, expanded by ascending to a shard, I was able to both vote the right person and cause a tie, one of the most informative vote situations. While I gave up the shard and no longer have its power, the effects still remain”
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Dangnation I’m tired Let’s see what I can respond 3 hours ago, Mint Heron said: i get this but i prefer to begin by voting people i think are suspicious. there's a d1 accuracy debate here but by focusing on a trait that doesn't care about alignment, only the kind of villager you'd prefer dead, you're already conceding the field unnecessarily because you aren't elim hunting, just removing people that, to be blunt, irritate you. 100% get what you’re saying. There’s a couple things I’d like to say. First, I agree with voting people we find suspicious - but, in case I didn’t make it clear before, I am not willing to invest the time and effort right now to form D1 reads, due to both business and admittedly a bit of laziness. I am committed to taking a far more active stance on analysis starting next cycle, but the truth is, whatever your position, D1 trains often don’t amount to much past dangerous tunneling and there’s already five pages I’ve missed. Hols that against me if you will. I’m not intentionally attacking Dragonfly because they irritate me, and I’m sorry if it came across like that.I attacked Dragonfly because in that moment it seemed like a better idea to vote someone who I don’t see contributing much over picking at random (as, as I’ve established, I want to keep pressure flowing and I’m not committed to solving right now). I appreciate the reads. They have been noted. 2 hours ago, Mauve Crocodile said: @Melon Dingo Adonalsium Storming Reborn sighs deeply Fool, that Sphere you so Recklessly Smashed could have Sustained you for One Threnodite Month. Dost thee not Recognize Unkeyed Light when thou Holds it within the Palm of thy Hand?? Thus Pearls are Thrown before Swine and Trampled underfoot. @Mint Heron They turn to Zense, and there are tear tracks down their cheeks, perhaps the first sign the crew has ever seen on their face of emotions that aren't anger or pride. Zense... I Confess. A Song I have not Heard in a Lifetime... You bring an Old Soul to the Brink of Tears. You have my Deepest Gratitude. Let these Tears you see Shining in My Eyes be a Commendation to Thee and Thy Instrument for as long as the Cosmere endures. He straightens. Now. To Work! How do we e'en Compress the Length of a Day into a small Speech? I shall Endeavor to Look at Entrances and Vote Patterns to try and Form a General Overall Impression. It is a Daunting Task, but Adonalsium Storming Reborn shall Give into the Cosmere Nothing but their Very Best Effort! Crew are Listed in Order of Appearance. (Okay I tried to write in character but this is already a big complicated post and the random capitalization makes it harder so I'm just talking normally you're welcome everyone. Current system I'm working with is starting e! and changing with proven helpfulness, so if I'm reading neutral, I'm assigning e! lean. Reads (Editing because its so long I'm putting it in a spoiler box) Hide contents Taupe Gecko: H.E.A.R.T.H. a somewhat lazy robot. e!lean 1. votes on me for Rp reasons 2. votes on Dragonfly for not being very clear. General thoughts: @Taupe Gecko I don't actually begrudge genuine business, but asking other people to do vote counts and include reasoning for trains is a bit much if you're not also willing to engage and put in effort. Still, now that I have put in this effort, any thoughts? Ivory Dragonfly: Echo. They Seem able to only Mimic, Unable to Utter Words of their Own. v!lean 1. Votes on Zebra, Guess. 2. Switches to Octopus for Voting on Meerkat on a guess. 3. Changes vote to Toucan. General thoughts: I actually really like @Ivory Dragonfly. They're really putting themselves in a corner here with their chosen cosmetic role. I'm with Heron in that they are genuinely giving thoughts and reads. We'll need more soon, but it's no reason to vote them out yet. I do think the switch to Octopus was a little weird given that it was a poke vote, and I want to hear your reasons for voting Toucan? Scarlet Octopus: Chiji Kaido, Ironeyes follower. e!lean 1. Votes on Meerkat, a Guess. 2. Annoyed at Dragonfly for Seeming Defensive of Meerkat by Switching to them. 3. Switches to Dragonfly after Meerkat Shows Up. General Thoughts: Honestly it's kind of a blank here. I think their annoyance at Dragonfly switching to them is justified. Still e!lean for now because I'm reading neutral. @Scarlet Octopus I respect your vote, is there anyone else you don't like right now? Sunburst Toucan: Ophelia Desci (Forgetful) e!lean 1. Votes on Elephant, A Guess. Drawing a blank here so e!lean. @Sunburst Toucan are you keeping your vote on elephant? Sage Kangaroo: Isabel Kho Lin (Silverist) v!lean 1. Votes on Myself, RP. 2. Votes on Dragonfly after Octopus' Switch. Has been pretty helpful in keeping up with the thread and posting vote counts. Their vote switch didn't come off as weird to me because of previous rp with Octopus about Dragonfly's switch. @Sage Kangaroo What are your thoughts on other players? perhaps Octopus themselves? Violet Axolotl: Fletcher (Past Lives)e!lean 1. Appears Early, but Does not Vote. 2. Votes on Kangaroo after Iguana does, RP. Seems pretty opportunistic to me. Doesn't even really give a reason for switching. @Violet Axolotl I'm adding to the pressure, I suppose. What do you feel about Kangaroo, and do you have any other suspects? Indigo Weasel: Third of the Tide (Liar)e!lean 1. Votes on Dragonfly, RP/Guess. 2. Explains Later it was a Poke Vote and they will Analyze based on Responses. Neutral until @Indigo Weasel come back and tell us if they learned anything. You did offer! Magenta Albatross: Rane Cauthon (Gambler)e!lean 1. Appears, no Votes. Wants to Gamble. 2. Votes on Meerkat, RP/Dice Roll. 3. Likes Heron, me, Kangaroo. I somewhat agree with Heron that there's some difference between a poke vote that's random and just intended to see if they talk/anything happens and announcing you're voting based off dice. There's even less pressure there than a regular poke vote. @Magenta Albatross Do you have any more solid thoughts right now? Melon Dingo: Stormseeker the Wise (Returned) A Little Stupid v!lean 1. Votes on Iguana for Not Being Here. 2. Posts Reads with Explicit Likes and Dislikes Likes: Kangaroo, Heron, Me. Dislikes: Axolotl, Iguana. 3. Votes Axolotl for being active and Rping but only voting right after someone else votes on Kangaroo. Analysis and reads are good. Gave an explanation for their vote. No questions right now. Quartz Zebra: Finch. Rude, has a Awakened Box that Judges Footwear. v!lean 1. Does not Vote in First Appearance. 2. Votes on Me, Guess. 3. Clarifies after it was a Pressure Test and I Reacted Too Defensively. As said above, I respect the pressure voting tactic. The voting and more importantly the follow up is sound, I'll give you that. I just want to be know I'm being judged for my actual gameplay and not my RP. Otherwise, @Quartz Zebra I want to hear if you have thoughts on any other players besides me, please. Saffron Iguana: Arnold Johnson (obsessively Neat) e!lean 1. Votes Kangaroo for RP. 2. Asks Meerkat why they're Suspicious of Trains. Not really giving us anything. The first vote is fine, the question feels like fluff because there isn't really a follow up. @Saffron Iguana any follow up? Any non-Rp votes? Salmon Meerkat: Dugh Thomas (Arrogant) e!lean 1. Votes Dragonfly for Not Making Sense. 2. Switches Vote to Leave Train, votes Kangaroo for Switching Votes. Entered with a few votes already on them, so they vote for the person who first voted them. Then when a train began forming on Dragonfly, jumped off and votes on Kangaroo for joining their vote? It feels jumpy, but I understand being weirded out by a train forming unopposed. Still neutral for now so e!lean. @Salmon Meerkat Do you actually still suspect Dragonfly, and would you have stayed on them if not for two more votes following yours? Sapphire Elephant: Klin (Merchant) e!lean 1. Appears, Posts Vote Count but Does Not Vote. 2. After much conversation, votes Meerkat for being too willing to change votes. Lot of Rp, enjoying it. Vote has reasoning. Not really giving me much to go on though. Does make a distinction between Kangaroo and Meerkat in that they think Meerkat was trying not to draw attention to themselves? @Sapphire Elephant What are your thoughts beyond Kangaroo and Meerkat? Onyx Flamingo: Frisk (Past Lives) e!lean Appears. Mainly just asks for catchup. Has not voted or given any game-related thoughts. @Onyx Flamingo I've done my best to summarize my thoughts and major happeninsg. care to make a vote now? Oxblood Beagle: Levin (Past Lives) v!lean 1. Appears. 2. Votes Axolotl for RP. Later makes a Very Good and Detailed Summation Which I Like Quite a Lot. 3. Votes on Elephant for perceived hypocrisy re: dragonfly and meerkat Likes: Crocodile, Heron, Dingo, Dragonfly, Octopus Dislikes: Kangaroo, Axolotl, Elephant. I genuinely really appreciated your summary. I was already doing my own but yours was concise and formatted to read well and showed a flow through the day. Your vote reasoning is also pretty solid. In conclusion, I like you. No questions right now. Mint Heron: Zense (Ship's Musician) v!lean 1. Appears. Does some Analysis. Votes on Dingo. Asks many Questions of Many Players. 2. Later Switches Vote to Axolotl without Much reason. Another player I really like just because of how much they're asking questions and making other players answer them. I wish they'd give some reasoning for the votes they're making, but its effort being put into making people talk more than just RP, which I appreciate. no questions right now. Also excuse me for giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you wrote the song! (joke) @Plum Rhinoceros @Pearl Chameleon @Opal Lion Not here. Adolnasium this is a monster of a post. Getting there. In conclusion, 1. Actively like right now are Dragonfly, Heron, Beagle, Zebra, Dingo, and Kangaroo. 2. Passively neutral reads on Octopus, Gecko, Meerkat, Weasel if they come back and talk more. 3. Actively find unhelpful so far Flamingo, Iguana, Gecko 4. Would vote on Elephant, Axolotl, Albatross. I think they kind of strike the same theme in that they're active and Rping but not saying much game-related but then suddenly being willing to join forming trains. I did a quick glance in my previous post about those who were the second to hop on existing votes, and Kangaroo and Meerkat were on the list too, but they at least have been willing to answer questions which moved them up to neutral or liked. 5. just not enough of a presence Toucan, Rhinoceros, Chameleon, Lion I think, at this juncture, I don't want Dragonfly dead, and I don't want to start a new train. I'm willing to move my vote from Meerkat to Axolotl, bringing them closer to Dragonfly. Current count: Mauve crocodile:(1) zebra Salmon meerkat:(2) albatross, elephant Sapphire Elephant:(2) toucan, beagle Scarlet octopus:(1) dragonfly Ivory dragonfly:(4) kangaroo, octopus, weasel, gecko Sage kangaroo:(3) iguana, axolotl, meerkat Violet axolotl:(3) dingo, heron, crocodile Massive respect for doing all that. Your reads, too, have been noted. 2 hours ago, Mauve Crocodile said: Taupe Gecko: H.E.A.R.T.H. a somewhat lazy robot. e!lean 1. votes on me for Rp reasons 2. votes on Dragonfly for not being very clear. General thoughts: @Taupe Gecko I don't actually begrudge genuine business, but asking other people to do vote counts and include reasoning for trains is a bit much if you're not also willing to engage and put in effort. Still, now that I have put in this effort, any thoughts? Agree with what you’re saying about my seeming laziness. Again, I’ve been busy. I will say my first vote on you was absolutely reasoning-less, not for RP reasons. I wanted to poke and you gave me a good RP excuse (so I guess it was for RP reasons, in a way). Let’s note these for VC: 3 hours ago, Sage Kangaroo said: Isabel laughs “of course anything to help a pal out” (it’s kinddda a poke vote but also a bit of idrk who to vote out and I feel like some of dragonfly’s behavior has been kinda e! So ye) Kangaroo voted Dragonfly for “poke”. Weasel votes Kangaroo for weird hop on Dragonfly train, sees potential Kangaroo/Dragonfly/Meerkat distancing team 59 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said: Violet Axolotl (4): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile Sunburst Toucan (1): Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (3): Salmon Meerkat, Saffron Iguana, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo VC: Violet Axolotl (4): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile Sunburst Toucan (1): Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (3): Salmon Meerkat, Saffron Iguana, Indigo Weasel (weird hop on DF train) Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko (somewhat random, unhelpful), Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo (poke vote) … The parentheses are what I mean by including reasoning in VCs. I think I’m gonna leave my vote on Dragonfly for now; I have no reads, but neither do I trust those of the village (sorry guys) and last game made me respect Tyrian ties. There’s a very real possibility I will sleep through rollover. I promise to contribute more in future cycles, right now I’m just tired and honestly somewhat grumpy. The crew was still in motion as H.E.A.R.T.H wheeled into its charging station, plugged itself in, and lost itself in a sea of black and white and red.
Ivory Dragonfly Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Indigo Weasel said: Here, seems like potential TMI This madness Echo Unable to stand the clamor any longer Sunburst Tucan Indigo Weasel Utterly useless The topic of discussion is Indigo Weasel Violet Axolotl Pressure forced reaction One that increased clarity There was no time anymore This is my proclamation Echo Metal 1 hour ago, Indigo Weasel said: Iron
Saffron Iguana Posted January 6 Posted January 6 "Well, I finally got the dog (and it's hair) disposed of. Unfortunately my job description doesn't allow me to do any more work today. I understand that it's my responsibility to do the cleaning in my allotted time, and I shall strive to be more productive on the morrow." Well, I was about to say that it was odd Dragonfly was leaving random poke votes when they are in the lead, but that's been resolved now. My vote on Sage Kanga has outlived its pokiness. In general I find Axolotl a more compelling option than Dragonfly, but I'm also interested in the Dragonfly voters. In particular, Scarlet Octo hasn't really given much more past their original vote, despite things changing a bit since then. Seems like a "I found an easy vote so I'll just sit on it" kinda attitude. Not that I'm one to talk, but what can you do.
Indigo Weasel Posted January 6 Posted January 6 59 minutes ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: This madness Echo Unable to stand the clamor any longer Sunburst Tucan Indigo Weasel Utterly useless The topic of discussion is Indigo Weasel Violet Axolotl Pressure forced reaction One that increased clarity There was no time anymore This is my proclamation Echo Metal Huh? What? This is confusing, you changed your vote twice in the same post. What is going on???
Plum Rhinoceros Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Art wakes up as he looks around unfamiliar surroundings. He was groggy and could barely recall the last thing he remembered. He quickly realizes he was in some tunnel or a duct of some sort. He had to crawl around as the duct was not high enough for him to stand. As he starts crawling around, he realized he was in the air venting system, as he could peer into whatever he was on, through the vents. He decided it was too early, and he knew too little of the situation to reveal himself to everyone below. In fact, he knew he was in a unique position to hide up here and notice all the happenings and then reveal himself in an opportune moment. He decided he'd first head to the security room, to find out everything he had missed since he was knocked out cold. [Hello, just chiming in to say I'm here. It's been a busy couple of days unfortunately, and while I will try to catch up before the end of the day, I don't think I can contribute to the discussion of Day One. I would really appreciate a cover till the night, when I should be less busy. Thanks!]
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 17 minutes ago, Indigo Weasel said: Huh? What? This is confusing, you changed your vote twice in the same post. What is going on??? Do you have a particular lean or preference on DF atm? I'm asking because their gimmick makes it hard to read tone but I think they're claiming Lurcher/Doctor (sorry guys but the Elims would've worked it out regardless.)
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: To all those voting me, idk what I did to give e!lean but I literally just haven't had much time to be on the shard, so that's why I haven't been very active. Fletcher frowns. "I didn't think much of it, I guess. I'm a bit suspicious of dragonfly, it could just be preference, but his way of speaking allows him to say things that could mean a lot, or might not." I don't really get a read on crocodile, other than he could be talking and rping too much, or he could just be devoted. Meerkat seems a little defensive, but then again what I'm saying could be taken as being too defensive too, so idk abt them. I'm gonna switch my vote from Sage Kangaroo to Ivory Dragonfly The reason I am suspicous of you is because of the reason you are suspicous of Dragonfly. From what I have gathered, (and I might be wrong, please correct me if so) you're 'reasoning' for dragonfly is either 1. His 'way of speaking' (which was decided before e! or v! was placed) which if it really 'could just be preference' than why would you use that reasoning to try and build on a train? That's poke vote logic not get someone voted out logic 2. That could have just been an RP justification, but if so, where's your real one? I am willing to ignore all of 1 if you just tell us Violet Axolotl's reasoning, not Fletcher's. (Or maybe you are just an elim using this to build a train) Either way, suspicous. 4 hours ago, Mauve Crocodile said: Violet Axolotl: Fletcher (Past Lives)e!lean 1. Appears Early, but Does not Vote. 2. Votes on Kangaroo after Iguana does, RP. Seems pretty opportunistic to me. Doesn't even really give a reason for switching. @Violet Axolotl I'm adding to the pressure, I suppose. What do you feel about Kangaroo, and do you have any other suspects? Previously (Sorry I cant directly quote you because I wasn't on then, again i repeat, please do correct me if I'm wrong) you didn't vote early (I can understand, everyone has their own opinion on poke votes and early D1 is definetly the hardest time for solid votes) and then voted off of RP (which you seem to have done again?) Apparently, you (yet again) didn't give a reason for switching. That last paragraph could have been wrong, and either Mauve Crocodile or Violet Axolotl correct me if I misinterperted, but that was a build up, and the above reasoning is why I am sticking with your vote. (Oh that was hard) (I dont think ive ever been this good at SE) Edit: And I do agree that Dragonfly's confusingness can and probably will be a problem, but it is there regardless of e! or v! lean Edited January 6 by Onyx Flamingo
Indigo Weasel Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Do you have a particular lean or preference on DF atm? I'm asking because their gimmick makes it hard to read tone but I think they're claiming Lurcher/Doctor (sorry guys but the Elims would've worked it out regardless.) My lean is confused. And while I mentioned how the rp was decided before roles where given out, and so it doesn’t mean either way, I’d be perfectly fine with exe-ing them so I don’t have to deal with it. But V!lean, I’m not completely caught up on the previous page, but for now this stands Edited January 6 by Indigo Weasel Had to fix pronouns, I changed “him” to “them”
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Just now, Indigo Weasel said: My lean is confused. And while I mentioned how the rp was decided before roles where given out, and so it doesn’t mean either way, I’d be perfectly fine with exe-ing him so I don’t have to deal with it. But V!lean, I’m not completely caught up on the previous page, but for now this stands K. If so do you feel worth pivot to Axl or Kanga? Full disclaimer I'm running on no sleep atm so a lot of things may not be correct math etc-wise. Ig moved off Kanga. IDK if DF is voting or taken as voting. ( @The Unknown Medallion vc pls?) I guess if they are everyone's fine. If not, then I'm trying to work out if there's a pragmatic arg for going Axl or Kanga based on "if V!PR we make the Elims kill them or get one or two nights of protects off." Aware that Lurcher is easiest fakeclaim + if E!PR, we technically have to kill them anyway, though E!Lurcher is usually a detriment to the team due to how Tyrian actions economy works. Dunno. Know an Elim might just claim too, can't parse their tone but do not want Village sleepwalking into a Lurcher exe like last AG w/out thinking it through.
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Just so everyone knows, I'm going to sleep and will not be awake again until what I assume is N1 3 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said: I'm noticing some discrepancies between my vote count, and the vote counts that some of you are posting. I think mine is correct, but I'll be double checking a few more times before Day 1 ends in just over 12 hours. Violet Axolotl (4): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile Sunburst Toucan (1): Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (3): Salmon Meerkat, Saffron Iguana, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Well I might be awake in the last few minutes or something but not until then sry guys ( @Violet Axolotl if you do respond, I will try my best to get back to you. dont want to leave a potential v! hangin)
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Ok yeah sorry slep. Will be back way before rollover I just need it.
Violet Axolotl Posted January 6 Posted January 6 47 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: The reason I am suspicous of you is because of the reason you are suspicous of Dragonfly. From what I have gathered, (and I might be wrong, please correct me if so) you're 'reasoning' for dragonfly is either 1. His 'way of speaking' (which was decided before e! or v! was placed) which if it really 'could just be preference' than why would you use that reasoning to try and build on a train? That's poke vote logic not get someone voted out logic 2. That could have just been an RP justification, but if so, where's your real one? I am willing to ignore all of 1 if you just tell us Violet Axolotl's reasoning, not Fletcher's. (Or maybe you are just an elim using this to build a train) I will honestly say that I don't have firm reasoning there. I am mainly just voting who I think is slight e!lean, but my reason skills are not good. I haven't had time to fully read everything, so I'm mainly going off vibes. And I will not lie, there are many voting dragonfly, and voting him above the others is an act of self-preservation, as it decreases the chances I get voted out. I realize that saying that may give me a huge e!lean, but I don't want to be voted out. I'm willing to hear defense from @Ivory Dragonfly. I have to go to sleep now. Let's see if I make it through rollover.
Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 7 hours ago, Sapphire Elephant said: "I can give you a loan," Klin said. "The interest rate is 1% compounded daily." Stormseeker the Responsible brightened. "Ah yes that would be perfect!" He said as he whipped out a scroll and pen and wrote a contract for the terms. As he was about to sign, he looked at Klin, "wait a minute. I currently have an outstanding debt Im paying off for my previous spaceship..." Stormseeker paused for a second and frowned, "Luckily I crashed it, as otherwise I wouldnt be here... but that does mean I currently am paying off an outstanding debt of about 350 million boxings... That won't be a problem will it?" 2 hours ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: This madness Echo Unable to stand the clamor any longer Sunburst Tucan Indigo Weasel Utterly useless The topic of discussion is Indigo Weasel Violet Axolotl Pressure forced reaction One that increased clarity There was no time anymore This is my proclamation Echo Metal 1 hour ago, Indigo Weasel said: Huh? What? This is confusing, you changed your vote twice in the same post. What is going on??? I interpreted this as Dragonfly saying they wanted to vote on you but its pointless as no one else has voted on you
Sapphire Elephant Posted January 6 Posted January 6 23 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Stormseeker the Responsible brightened. "Ah yes that would be perfect!" He said as he whipped out a scroll and pen and wrote a contract for the terms. As he was about to sign, he looked at Klin, "wait a minute. I currently have an outstanding debt Im paying off for my previous spaceship..." Stormseeker paused for a second and frowned, "Luckily I crashed it, as otherwise I wouldnt be here... but that does mean I currently am paying off an outstanding debt of about 350 million boxings... That won't be a problem will it?" I interpreted this as Dragonfly saying they wanted to vote on you but its pointless as no one else has voted on you "Nah, you have ways to get more money. When you go back to Nalthis, you can charge people to send you art. That way, you'll get rid of your debt in no time." ~ I'm going to sleep. See ya'll in Night 1.
Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Ok got a bit of extra time tonight so going to see how far I get continuing my thoughts on players from this post Hmm I should start documenting my notes in sheets like I used to... that'd be helpful. Especially with keeping track of names xD https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/201696-ag12an16-day-one-the-regards-of-the-raiders-of-ruin/page/4/#findComment-2019586 Spoiler Toupe Gecko: refers to themselves in third person o7. Asks for a summary of where votes are which i dont think anyone did. Votes on Dragonfly as all votes are equal and hard to read dragonfly. Feels like a cop-out as there are players you could try and solve and instead targeting someone you cant. I also do think Drsgonfly has been posting game content despite their restrictions so I dont think this reasoning holds up. Responds to Heron who was saying something similar by saying they dont have time for reads D1 which is fair. But again says Dragonfly isnt contributing much and I dont think thats a fair statement. Sunburst Toucan: Scarlet Octopus: Sapphire Elephant: Salmon Meerkat: I thought they had more than 3 posts for some reason. Basically 2 poke votes and a clarification. Not a lot to go on. Plum Rhinoceros: just joined the thread. Says will say more at night Pearl Chameleon: have they posted? Oxblood Beagle: mostly RP. Vote on Axolotl seems like a poke mostly -> big fan of how they are melding RP and analysis... oh you wanted me to say my reads of them? Nah im just here to say I enjoy reading your posts Opal Lion: have they posted? Magenta Albatross: gives 3 village reads and in their most recent post (20 hours ago) they keep their vote on their poke vote target which was made 16 hours and 2 pages earlier. Neutral for now though I wonder if they have any thoughts when they come back? @Magenta Albatross Violet Axolotl (5): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana on mobile so I cant change the formatting sorry. Also ive stayed up way too late. I'll finish this later. -------- (just to have some RP) After Stormseeker finished signing the paperwork and now happily has his 1 needed Breath for this week, he realized... wait... Scraf must also be hungry! After all, the more breaths he was "fed" the stronger and more capable he became. So Stormseeker offered that breath to Scraf. Well luckily he saw someone ahead who seemed to have a glow of investiture. Let's see if they could help! Hello good sir! Good to see you again! Stormseeker said to this mystery person with their back turned. "You wouldnt happen to have a Breath I could borrow wou-" He cut off as he all of a sudden needed to sneeze. Ah ah AHCHHOOO he sneezed right over @Saffron Iguana fur ejecting in all directions... which was weird as he is... or at least was human. Oh uhh my bad! Stormseeker says and quickly moves to speedwalk away (thats what you get for complaining about my dog hairs )
Sapphire Elephant Posted January 6 Posted January 6 57 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Ok got a bit of extra time tonight so going to see how far I get continuing my thoughts on players from this post Hmm I should start documenting my notes in sheets like I used to... that'd be helpful. Especially with keeping track of names xD https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/201696-ag12an16-day-one-the-regards-of-the-raiders-of-ruin/page/4/#findComment-2019586 Hide contents Toupe Gecko: refers to themselves in third person o7. Asks for a summary of where votes are which i dont think anyone did. Votes on Dragonfly as all votes are equal and hard to read dragonfly. Feels like a cop-out as there are players you could try and solve and instead targeting someone you cant. I also do think Drsgonfly has been posting game content despite their restrictions so I dont think this reasoning holds up. Responds to Heron who was saying something similar by saying they dont have time for reads D1 which is fair. But again says Dragonfly isnt contributing much and I dont think thats a fair statement. Sunburst Toucan: Scarlet Octopus: Sapphire Elephant: Salmon Meerkat: I thought they had more than 3 posts for some reason. Basically 2 poke votes and a clarification. Not a lot to go on. Plum Rhinoceros: just joined the thread. Says will say more at night Pearl Chameleon: have they posted? Oxblood Beagle: mostly RP. Vote on Axolotl seems like a poke mostly -> big fan of how they are melding RP and analysis... oh you wanted me to say my reads of them? Nah im just here to say I enjoy reading your posts Opal Lion: have they posted? Magenta Albatross: gives 3 village reads and in their most recent post (20 hours ago) they keep their vote on their poke vote target which was made 16 hours and 2 pages earlier. Neutral for now though I wonder if they have any thoughts when they come back? @Magenta Albatross Violet Axolotl (5): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana on mobile so I cant change the formatting sorry. Also ive stayed up way too late. I'll finish this later. -------- (just to have some RP) After Stormseeker finished signing the paperwork and now happily has his 1 needed Breath for this week, he realized... wait... Scraf must also be hungry! After all, the more breaths he was "fed" the stronger and more capable he became. So Stormseeker offered that breath to Scraf. Well luckily he saw someone ahead who seemed to have a glow of investiture. Let's see if they could help! Hello good sir! Good to see you again! Stormseeker said to this mystery person with their back turned. "You wouldnt happen to have a Breath I could borrow wou-" He cut off as he all of a sudden needed to sneeze. Ah ah AHCHHOOO he sneezed right over @Saffron Iguana fur ejecting in all directions... which was weird as he is... or at least was human. Oh uhh my bad! Stormseeker says and quickly moves to speedwalk away (thats what you get for complaining about my dog hairs ) Klin accepted the papers. "When you get back to Nalthis, remember me," he said before yawning. ~ Probably for real this time, I shall be off.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Levin paced across the deck of the ship. There had been a lot of discussion and the time was drawing near for one of the passengers under suspicion to be thrown overboard the SS TYRIAN. 10 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: Fletcher frowns. "I didn't think much of it, I guess. I'm a bit suspicious of dragonfly, it could just be preference, but his way of speaking allows him to say things that could mean a lot, or might not." I'm gonna switch my vote from Sage Kangaroo to Ivory Dragonfly 5 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: I will honestly say that I don't have firm reasoning there. I am mainly just voting who I think is slight e!lean, but my reason skills are not good. And I will not lie, there are many voting dragonfly, and voting him above the others is an act of self-preservation, as it decreases the chances I get voted out. I realize that saying that may give me a huge e!lean, but I don't want to be voted out. He considered what the Axolotl had said. He felt iffy about it and so he asked, "Why did you not mention that it was an act of self-preservation to accuse Dragonfly in the first place? It felt oddly convenient that you accused him at a time when the eyes of the others were on you." 8 hours ago, Taupe Gecko said: last game made me respect Tyrian ties. "Are these truly beneficial?" he inquired. Levin recalled a story. A tale of a proxy war between Ruin and Preservation. The Spiked, who had infiltrated the quaint village had used the townsfolk's indecision to their advantage and ensured that the innocent would be placed on the gallows rather than one of their own. 7 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said: In particular, Scarlet Octo hasn't really given much more past their original vote, despite things changing a bit since then. Seems like a "I found an easy vote so I'll just sit on it" kinda attitude. Not that I'm one to talk, but what can you do. "Reasonable," he commented. "I would say the same could be said as well with the Meerkat, who has not rejoined us after pointing a finger toward the Kangaroo. That is something I am also taking note of."
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Am I legit tripping or has the meta changed this much since the last time I played a forum mafia game that a doctor claim is not actually being factored into assessments of the merits of the votestate? Like I get it since if DF is self-pressing on Axl, that's a Axl goes over world, it's just also kind of close given Rioting and it's weirding me out that I seem to be the only bird going "Hey, should we be sleepwalking into this?" Why are we considering D1ing a doctor? Genuinely, am I crazy now? Have I walked into ersatz world? Am I so sleep-deprived my brain isn't working anymore? I @ Weasel mostly because I wanted a sanity check and all I'm feeling is increasingly insane at this point. (I guess this is more induced by reading the most recent posts, esp. Flamingo, Axl, Dingo, because rn if we do not want to exe Axl, we are left with the closest CW being DF (!!!!) unless we agree on a CW to avoid this, e.g. Kanga.) 5 hours ago, Melon Dingo said: I interpreted this as Dragonfly saying they wanted to vote on you but its pointless as no one else has voted on you Fair catch. 32 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: "Are these truly beneficial?" he inquired. Levin recalled a story. A tale of a proxy war between Ruin and Preservation. The Spiked, who had infiltrated the quaint village had used the townsfolk's indecision to their advantage and ensured that the innocent would be placed on the gallows rather than one of their own. Not really. They're better off when you can read where the votes are going but in terms of raw results, not particularly. 6 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: And I will not lie, there are many voting dragonfly, and voting him above the others is an act of self-preservation, as it decreases the chances I get voted out. Ok but... ....Something I'm trying to work out. Does E!Axl self-pres on a claimed V!Lurcher? (In the world they're E/E, do they just pres on each other like this? Kind of have to, right, but I am also a bit unsure given that the claim from DF in that world feels unforced.) Between the two of them I lean better on DF, I just don't know how I feel about two factors: -It's a self-admitted raw self-pres vote from Axl ( @Oxblood Beagle I note that Axl also did state slight Elim vibes so minimally they're hedgy on how they feel about it) -Axl is very much okay staying alive and endangering a claimed Lurcher to do it - is Axl this confident about that E!read? Maybe I'm less confident than most, but there are worlds V!me hesitates to do this and either eats the exe or just begs for a third train and whatever happens happens. IDK this works with Axl's claimed confidence levels. -If Axl is a major village PR and can't be back, is this not the place to claim? Why isn't Axl claiming against DF in self-pressing? (These are Axl-exclusive questions, I've already broken my brain trying to work out DF in a separate post begging for a SAN check.) I've re-read the rules and finally internalised that this setting has kandra (wtf) as a separate Forger type role rather than, IDK, cosmetic stuff. I don't know how this interfaces with my reasoning here since this requires a lot of assumptions about the game's distro so I'm just not touching it at this point; I just don't remotely want us to be relying on the idea a Village kandra will get it so we're fine because there may not be one, among other scenarios.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 When H.E.A.R.T.H disconnected in the morning, it was met with a present surprise; the day was not yet over. The bouts of unconsciousness must not have consumed as much battery as it expected, and while many others had already retreated to their quarters, H.E.A.R.T.H still had two hours left to make a decision. Two hours left to save - or doom - a life. 8 hours ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: This madness Echo Unable to stand the clamor any longer Sunburst Tucan Indigo Weasel Utterly useless The topic of discussion is Indigo Weasel Violet Axolotl Pressure forced reaction One that increased clarity There was no time anymore This is my proclamation Echo Metal H.E.A.R.T.H was, once again, confused by Echo's speech. 7 hours ago, Onyx Flamingo said: The reason I am suspicous of you is because of the reason you are suspicous of Dragonfly. From what I have gathered, (and I might be wrong, please correct me if so) you're 'reasoning' for dragonfly is either 1. His 'way of speaking' (which was decided before e! or v! was placed) which if it really 'could just be preference' than why would you use that reasoning to try and build on a train? That's poke vote logic not get someone voted out logic 2. That could have just been an RP justification, but if so, where's your real one? I am willing to ignore all of 1 if you just tell us Violet Axolotl's reasoning, not Fletcher's. (Or maybe you are just an elim using this to build a train) Either way, suspicous. H.E.A.R.T.H heard Frisk's words, and resonatesdwith them. The example they included of Fletcher's behavior was indeed suspicious - and seems to follow a trend of opportunistic climbs on the Dragonfly train. Silently, H.E.A.R.T.H wondered whether a potential threat could have pushed the pileup, or whether the accusations are simply opportunistic - assuming, that is, the likelihood they come from those who are evil. While H.E.A.R.T.H did previously establish their unwillingness to analyze much the first day, in large part due to the mass of events they had missed, they were beginning to note certain trends. For one, merely reviewing very recent events, H.E.A.R.T.H did not like the behavior of the one called Weasel. 10 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said: Here, seems like potential TMI, how would they know that we have a messenger that’s not a Tineye? There’s no reason to assume that. Either Dragonfly is referencing themself this gives e!lean, but I’m lot convinced that dragonfly actually is yet, especially considering no indication of retaliation or counter trains until after I say my vote was a poke vote. In the case of this statement, H.E.A.R.T.H wasn't sure of the Dragonfly's intent itself - but didn't understand how an evildoer could have any more information than a villager in that specific situation. (OOC - how WOULD we have a messenger that's not a Tineye?) 10 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said: This seems to be an attack based on Rp, which was decided before we were given our roles and alignments. It’s possible that Dragonfly came up with their specific Rp because of how easy it is to mislead/avoid the question, but while it’s frustrating, doesn’t give any hints to whether E!lean or V!lean. So I think this is just Meerkat looking for an excuse to vote Dragonfly, E!lean. For a change, in this instance, H.E.A.R.T.H heavily agrees with the Weasel's reasoning; the statement quoted from Meerkat does indeed provide no seeming reasoning (yes, it is quite similar to the level H.E.A.R.T.H provided for the same statement, but H.E.A.R.T.H clearly established its intent as different to evil-slaying). (OOC - how did votes stand on Dragonfly at the time of that statement? It seems recent, so I'm assuming too volatile a situation for a poke vote) So why, in that case, did Weasel not attack Meerkat? Instead, they chose to attack another Dragonfly voter, who actually seemed to provide a stronger foundation of reasoning in H.E.A.R.T.H's view. Now, there was a heavy possibility that H.E.A.R.T.H was reading too much into this - pattern analysis told it that in this sort of situation, villagers tend to imagine or attribute more meaning than deserved to small acts to fuel their accusations once they make them. H.E.A.R.T.H did not want to fall into that trap - but still, it began to eye Weasel with suspicion. 7 hours ago, Onyx Flamingo said: Edit: And I do agree that Dragonfly's confusingness can and probably will be a problem, but it is there regardless of e! or v! lean H.E.A.R.T.H would like to make clear that it is in full agreement with this claim. 43 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: "Are these truly beneficial?" he inquired. Levin recalled a story. A tale of a proxy war between Ruin and Preservation. The Spiked, who had infiltrated the quaint village had used the townsfolk's indecision to their advantage and ensured that the innocent would be placed on the gallows rather than one of their own. H.E.A.R.T.H turned to Levin, the only one who had approached it after seeing it had awoken. "I know that story," H.E.A.R.T.H replied sagely. "It's a true classic, if obscure in these times. And with my memory logs, I recall that while that particular story did result in the triumph of Ruin - that early in its course, a seeming tie forced the Spiked to resort to emotional Allomancy to remain alive. Emotional Allomancy that, if well tracked by the village, could have allowed them to purge a monster from their ranks. It was not early indecision that doomed the people of Tyrian Falls - it was ignorance of what was right before them." 6 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Am I legit tripping or has the meta changed this much since the last time I played a forum mafia game that a doctor claim is not actually being factored into assessments of the merits of the votestate? Like I get it since if DF is self-pressing on Axl, that's a Axl goes over world, it's just also kind of close given Rioting and it's weirding me out that I seem to be the only bird going "Hey, should we be sleepwalking into this?" H.E.A.R.T.H was confused by the Heron's statement. "What do you mean? I am, I will admit, relatively new in function. What do you think we are sleepwalking into?" (OOC - so wait, by Doctor you mean Lurcher? Who here has claimed that?) 9 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Ok but... ....Something I'm trying to work out. Does E!Axl self-pres on a claimed V!Lurcher? (In the world they're E/E, do they just pres on each other like this? Kind of have to, right, but I am also a bit unsure given that the claim from DF in that world feels unforced.) Between the two of them I lean better on DF, I just don't know how I feel about two factors: -It's a self-admitted raw self-pres vote from Axl ( @Oxblood Beagle I note that Axl also did state slight Elim vibes so minimally they're hedgy on how they feel about it) -Axl is very much okay staying alive and endangering a claimed Lurcher to do it - is Axl this confident about that E!read? Maybe I'm less confident than most, but there are worlds V!me hesitates to do this and either eats the exe or just begs for a third train and whatever happens happens. IDK this works with Axl's claimed confidence levels. -If Axl is a major village PR and can't be back, is this not the place to claim? Why isn't Axl claiming against DF in self-pressing? (These are Axl-exclusive questions, I've already broken my brain trying to work out DF in a separate post begging for a SAN check.) I've re-read the rules and finally internalised that this setting has kandra (wtf) as a separate Forger type role rather than, IDK, cosmetic stuff. I don't know how this interfaces with my reasoning here since this requires a lot of assumptions about the game's distro so I'm just not touching it at this point; I just don't remotely want us to be relying on the idea a Village kandra will get it so we're fine because there may not be one, among other scenarios. H.E.A.R.T.H did have to admit all of that did sound somewhat concerning. So, if it understood correctly: Dragonfly was claiming to be a crewmember with crucial power (saving a life)? And Axl's behavior pressing a tie in self-pres was odd because even if self-pres is regularly justified it makes no sense to save a reg villager over a Lurcher unless Axl is hiding something? Of course, the Kandra ("wtf" ) did have the possibility to mitigate some risks. Observing the current count of accusations: VC: Violet Axolotl (5): Onyx Flamingo (no reasoning for DF attack), Mint Heron (attacking DF post Lurcher claim), Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly (self pres?) Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel (weird hop on DF train) Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl (vibes, self pres), Taupe Gecko (uselessness), Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo (poke vote) Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana At this stage in time, considering a tie was ruined (and H.E.A.R.T.H heard Heron's concerns) H.E.A.R.T.H was inclined to back an alternate train on Indigo Weasel. H.E.A.R.T.H was fully aware of the potential uselessness of such an introduction so close to the moment of truth, yet it made it anyway. A lot of the votes on the table seemed to be early pokes - insubstantial in the long run - and the more it learned, the more it disliked the pileup on the Dragonfly. So it made a wild move. A gamble. A leap of faith. A leap of faith. A leap. Faith. The sky was blue. H.E.A.R.T.H stood at the edge of the ravine. It seemed so deep, from here. The river crashing at its bottom was wild, hungry. A single slip, and it would destroy him. He was afraid. He knew he was afraid. Then he looked up and saw her. She stood on the other side of the ravine. They were just kids, and she was laughing at him. She called him a coward, but he liked it. Even though he wasn't a coward. Jump, she yelled! I'll catch you! H.E.A.R.T.H laughed. She couldn't catch him. But still, he took a few steps back, and turned around. A couple deep breaths. Then her next taunt came, and he ran, and leapt.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Levin listened to the statements of other passengers. They had some valuable insight to share, of which could be decidedly helpful to him in being more critical. He was far from being an investigator, but he had always been thrilled by mysteries and trying to figure out the answer hidden veiled beyond the fog, so odd as it was, this unfortunate predicament proved to be an opportunity to have that experience. 36 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Am I legit tripping or has the meta changed this much since the last time I played a forum mafia game that a doctor claim is not actually being factored into assessments of the merits of the votestate? Like I get it since if DF is self-pressing on Axl, that's a Axl goes over world, it's just also kind of close given Rioting and it's weirding me out that I seem to be the only bird going "Hey, should we be sleepwalking into this?" Why are we considering D1ing a doctor? Genuinely, am I crazy now? Have I walked into ersatz world? Am I so sleep-deprived my brain isn't working anymore? I @ Weasel mostly because I wanted a sanity check and all I'm feeling is increasingly insane at this point. (I guess this is more induced by reading the most recent posts, esp. Flamingo, Axl, Dingo, because rn if we do not want to exe Axl, we are left with the closest CW being DF (!!!!) unless we agree on a CW to avoid this, e.g. Kanga.) "I do agree with your assessment. A potential saboteur Allomancer who burns Zinc is a worry I share," he responded. "My considerations for certain passengers being suspicious have remained the same as the Kangaroo, the Sapphire Elephant, and the Violet Axolotl have not given me much confidence to see them as innocent." He did wonder though if there was merit to organizing another option in the Kangaroo, if it would potentially draw out more information or if that ship had sailed at this juncture. 10 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: In the case of this statement, H.E.A.R.T.H wasn't sure of the Dragonfly's intent itself - but didn't understand how an evildoer could have any more information than a villager in that specific situation. (OOC - how WOULD we have a messenger that's not a Tineye?) "I did feel confused about that claim. His statement seemed to imply that one of the saboteurs was a Kandra, but a Kandra could not steal the identity of a Tineye if they were not onboard in the first place," he explained. "But, to answer your question, another possibility is that, there could be a Mistborn onboard and they brought vials of Tin to use."
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 @Taupe Gecko - hard to quote longposts on mobile sorry, post linked here. Gimmick is echoing people's words, they seem to be claiming Iron i.e. Mistborn or Lurcher. Look at the last four lines. My proclamation (statement) Echo (name, gimmick) Metal Iron This looks like a direct roleclaim to me. Axl's behaviour here is confusing me as a result. (If I've managed to confuse myself about what Iron does this is going to be so embarrassing...) @Oxblood Beagle - Depends on your assessment of train sizes. I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm.
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