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Long Game 109: The Lords of Luthadel


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Posted (edited)

If i was Elim i would be decisive and i would know who i would kill, so i would chose someone who got a vote other than me like Sart, but i did not that should prove that i am not guilty.

Edited by ruler of the mists
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

People who took actions last night: Can we share results? Since political power shifts every day, there is literally no village loss in withholding information

 

I watched to see who targeted you, Newt did.

45 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Btw, me and Book got the two highest standings.

I got 4th, I think Sart got 3rd. Who got 5th and 6th?

Edited by IcedOutPenguin
Posted (edited)

Lady Cricket stands alone in a quiet corner of the Assembly hall, the noise of bickering lords a dull murmur around her. She paces slightly, her elegant dress whispering against the cold stone floor as she works through the implications of the latest killing, mostly to herself.

 

Lord Ruler, the things that happen in this city. Another death. Your Mistakes, a New Lord. A New Lord. What does that even mean in the grand scheme of things? We're barely finding our footing with Elend as Emperor, and the shadows are already long enough to trip a Koloss.

 

The story from the palace... an assassin targeting the Emperor, scared off, and somehow Your Mistakes gets caught in the shrapnel? Scrap metal, they said. Through the heart. It sounds dramatic, doesn't it? An accidental death during an attack on Elend. It’s too convenient. It feels staged to cause maximum disruption, to make the Emperor look vulnerable, or perhaps even incompetent in the protection of his own people. And Your Mistakes was a New Lord. Not an Old Lord with long-standing grudges or political power. 

 

But who had the motive? Who benefits from general chaos right now? The skaa, perhaps, but they work in the shadows, or so we're told. The Old Lords who resent Elend's rule? Almost all of them. 

 

The lack of Skaa Messengers is also suspicious. Silent today. Does that mean the skaa know something they aren't sharing, or are they deliberately being kept out of the loop by the Lords who control them?

 

We need to consider the possibilities. The killer could be an Old Lord working to destabilize the new government. The timing, the method... scrap metal, it just doesn’t feel right.

 

The problem is the randomness of the victim. If the target was indeed accidental, the killer is sloppy or opportunistic. If it was deliberate, why Lord Your Mistakes? What did Your Mistakes know, or what did they represent? A New Lord might have ideals, might be less corrupt, might be harder to manipulate. Removing a 'good' New Lord removes a vote for Elend's reforms and discourages others from supporting him.

 

I lean towards the assassin being an agent of chaos, someone who wants the Lords to turn on each other. The more we squabble, the weaker Elend gets. This is a game of power and survival. I must be careful. I have my own theories, my own suspicions, but voicing them too loudly without proof is a good way to end up dead myself.

 

I need to observe the others, their reactions, their whispers. Who is quiet? Who is speaking too loudly? Who looks triumphant? This assembly is a den of vipers, and the true Loyalists among us are hiding in plain sight. They want us to make mistakes, to point fingers randomly. I won't give them the satisfaction. I will watch, and I will analyze. But Lord Ruler, my heart is heavy with the weight of this uncertainty. Who is next?

Edited by Akimikoisthecutest
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4 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

Lady Cricket stands alone in a quiet corner of the Assembly hall, the noise of bickering lords a dull murmur around her. She paces slightly, her elegant dress whispering against the cold stone floor as she works through the implications of the latest killing, mostly to herself.

 

Lord Ruler, the things that happen in this city. Another death. Your Mistakes, a New Lord. A New Lord. What does that even mean in the grand scheme of things? We're barely finding our footing with Elend as Emperor, and the shadows are already long enough to trip a Koloss.

 

The story from the palace... an assassin targeting the Emperor, scared off, and somehow Your Mistakes gets caught in the shrapnel? Scrap metal, they said. Through the heart. It sounds dramatic, doesn't it? An accidental death during an attack on Elend. It’s too convenient. It feels staged to cause maximum disruption, to make the Emperor look vulnerable, or perhaps even incompetent in the protection of his own people. And Your Mistakes was a New Lord. Not an Old Lord with long-standing grudges or political power. 

 

A New Lord. They have less history, fewer known ties. This suggests the killer either chose a target of opportunity, or chose someone whose loss wouldn't immediately point the finger at a powerful faction. A New Lord is... expendable, politically. Which is a terrible thing to say, but true. The killer wants to cause chaos without starting an open war between the great houses.

 

But who had the motive? Who benefits from general chaos right now? The skaa, perhaps, but they work in the shadows, or so we're told. The Old Lords who resent Elend's rule? Almost all of them. 

 

The lack of Skaa Messengers is also suspicious. Silent today. Does that mean the skaa know something they aren't sharing, or are they deliberately being kept out of the loop by the Lords who control them?

 

We need to consider the possibilities. The killer could be an Old Lord working to destabilize the new government. The timing, the method... scrap metal, it just doesn’t feel right.

 

The problem is the randomness of the victim. If the target was indeed accidental, the killer is sloppy or opportunistic. If it was deliberate, why Lord Your Mistakes? What did Your Mistakes know, or what did they represent? A New Lord might have ideals, might be less corrupt, might be harder to manipulate. Removing a 'good' New Lord removes a vote for Elend's reforms and discourages others from supporting him.

 

I lean towards the assassin being an agent of chaos, someone who wants the Lords to turn on each other. The more we squabble, the weaker Elend gets. This is a game of power and survival. I must be careful. I have my own theories, my own suspicions, but voicing them too loudly without proof is a good way to end up dead myself.

 

I need to observe the others, their reactions, their whispers. Who is quiet? Who is speaking too loudly? Who looks triumphant? This assembly is a den of vipers, and the true Loyalists among us are hiding in plain sight. They want us to make mistakes, to point fingers randomly. I won't give them the satisfaction. I will watch, and I will analyze. But Lord Ruler, my heart is heavy with the weight of this uncertainty. Who is next?

Someone’s going for higher political power today 😏

Posted
8 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

I watched to see who targeted you, Newt did.

I got 4th, I think Sart got 3rd. Who got 5th and 6th?

Akimiko got fifth

31 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I was fifth. I found out who was targeting penguin. 

It's Sart

 

Ninja’d 😋

Hey @TwinStorm can emojis count as words?

Posted
Just now, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I got fifth

Hmm... Any idea who got sixth? Ruler?

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Someone’s going for higher political power today 😏

Fr, maybe they just don't want you to get it twice in a row.

Posted
1 minute ago, TwinStorm said:

mm I don't think so

But that would be fun! (I can see why no, it'd be a nightmare)

Just now, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I just want at least to be number 2 so I can try to save someone

Can you save yourself?

Posted
Just now, IcedOutPenguin said:

But that would be fun! (I can see why no, it'd be a nightmare)

Can you save yourself?

Yep

Posted
4 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I'm so glad I don't have to be the one who gets the 'opportunity' to count all the words

I'd just use a Google Doc, paste everyone's posts into it, then use the word count feature.

Posted
3 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

I'd just use a Google Doc, paste everyone's posts into it, then use the word count feature.

yeah thats the plan, but you also have to divide player by player and take out quote fragments

Posted
3 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

yeah thats the plan, but you also have to divide player by player and take out quote fragments

I guess

Posted
1 hour ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

I was fifth. I found out who was targeting penguin. 

It's Sart

Interesting.

Was Sart trying to see if he was an elim?

53 minutes ago, ruler of the mists said:

If i was Elim i would be decisive and i would know who i would kill, so i would chose someone who got a vote other than me like Sart, but i did not that should prove that i am not guilty.

That... still doesn't make much sense.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Zinwik awoke. He was still on the same scudding planet. The worst part is, it appeared that he'd lost the ability to hyperjump. The Nowhere's presence in his mind had diminished greatly, to the point where even a mindblade or concussion bolt would be difficult to pull off. At least this way, the Delvers wouldn't be able to pursue him. 

Zinwik began to explore the streets of Luthadel. How... filthy everything looked, covered in ash all the time. It was not just the buildings; the humans too. He noticed eyes turning to stare in his direction whenever he passed, like these humans had never seen a species of primary intelligence before.

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I might edit in more RP later.

Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

That is a great question.

From this, I think:

A) Sart is village

B ) Sart and Aki are elims together, and they may have coordinated this

Can anyone else verify if Sart actually did target Penguin?

Edited by KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren
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Huh, I was not expecting that. RIP Coder. (To confirm things said elsewhere here, I was 2nd in political power, and I did protect Hoid Slayer.)

Starting to wonder if the whole Hoid Slayer thing was meant to get me to protect someone never really in danger, but making a literal timeline with almost every action is not a elim move - way too fog-of-war reducing - and last game I got ridiculously paranoid after something similar with Fura and went down a whole rabbit hole there (spoiler: Fura was not an elim, I was just paranoid), so going to try to approach this calmly and rationally, and not jump to conclusions again. So not seriously considering that world.

I'm stealing Hoid's summary (and also the format, Hoid I really hope you don't mind, I'm very sorry if you do, just thought it was a really good way to analyze things and goodness knows this game needs clear analysis) though bc I don't really want to go through everything (Hoid seriously, props for going through and doing all that) so going to stick that in spoilers then expand the summary for today. 

Spoiler
On 11/14/2025 at 2:50 PM, Hoid Slayer said:

Day 1 Timeline: Significant Events (Spoilered for length)

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I pop in, post my essay

Penguin pokes Newt

I poke dp

CD pops in, RPs

KSauce pops in, RPs

TOW says he doesn’t like me cause PMs

dp says he wants reads before doing stuff (hey dp - got those reads yet?)

I move poke to Newt to apply more pressure

Sart lurk-votes Akimiko

Akimiko votes Newt for lack of reaction

Sart moves vote to Ruler after Akimiko shows up

Newt makes analysis, votes Akimiko for weird vote

TOW votes Penguin for long posts and vibes

CD lurk-votes Ruler

Ruler shows up to say literally nothing, pokes Penguin

I remove Newt vote, vote TOW for weird posts

Penguin makes analysis, votes Ruler for weird poke

Akimiko votes Ruler for same thing

Sart votes TOW

Penguin votes TOW in self-pres

Newt votes TOW for same as everyone else

Day 1 Timeline: Broken Down

The game begins with a couple votes; Penguin pokes Newt, and I poke dp.

CD and KSauce both pop in to do a little RP, but neglect to make any votes.

Eventually, after almost a full day where like nothing happens, I move my vote Newt in the hopes of applying pressure and shifting the tide. And while I said yesterday that I was disappointed in the ripples my vote had - I take that back. Because, as it turns out, a LOT happened in the next 24 hours. Let's take a look:

VC as of 4:00 PM Wednesday, CST, 29 hours before rollover:

        Newt (2): Penguin (poke), Hoid (pressure)

Two hours later, Sart makes his first appearance to poke Akimiko for her lurking.

Within ten minutes, Akimiko shows up, and votes Renalis for vague reasons.

VC as of 6:00 PM Wednesday, CST, 27 hours before rollover:

        Newt (3): Penguin (poke), Hoid (pressure), Akimiko (lack of response)

        Akimiko (1): Sart (lurking)

We can observe clear changes following my attack on Newt. The question is whether there's a relationship; I have no reason to particularly believe there is, but it is interesting.

Following Akimiko's arrival, Sart changes his vote to Ruler, again for inactivity. I actually quite like the strategy he is taking here, and it's important to note this reduces odds of him being elim together with Newt as an elim is unlikely to give up so easily on a counter-train when a partner is in danger.

Two more hours later, Newt shows up, makes some analysis, and decides to vote Akimiko for the weird vote. This is quite understandable, and likely has an element of self-pres - although it's important to note Newt isn't scrambling.

Iced acts unusually normal /s ALTHOUGH he does at one point make a somewhat weird comment telling people to wait for C3 for him to cook

VC at the end of Wednesday, CST, 21 hours before rollover:

        Newt (3): Penguin (poke), Hoid (pressure), Akimiko (lack of response)

        Akimiko (1): Newt (weird vote)

        Ruler (1): Sart (inactivity)

The following morning, TOW popped in and didn't like Penguin's vibes, voting him.

CD shows up, and backs up Sart on Ruler, also for inactivity.

Ruler shows up within the hour, popping in to say literally nothing about the game and eventually settles on a "poke" on Penguin. Something I want to note: the time discrepancy between Ruler's first appearance and poke is more than half an hour, and it's giving me vibes that the latter could have been directed from the elim doc - something like Ruler got told to vote Penguin, but wasn't given reasoning, and so Ruler improvised it into a poke.

VC as of 10:00 AM on Thursday, CST, 11 hours before rollover:

        Newt (3): Penguin (poke), Hoid (pressure), Akimiko (lack of response)

        Akimiko (1): Newt (weird vote)

        Ruler (2): Sart (inactivity), CD (inactivity)

        Penguin (2): TOW (vibes), Ruler

There's a lot more to read into here. We're seeing a slight pattern of trains forming. Both CD's and Ruler's backups strike me as somewhat sus, although it's worth noting that Ruler's backup was on a train started by a villager. Could be elims exploring options to save Newt, could be elims just causing chaos, could be villas flailing around, could be a mix of all.

After getting home on Thursday - 19 hours ago according to the Shard, roughly 4:00 PM CST - I withdraw my vote on Newt, and decide to rashly vote TOW instead based off two weird posts (oh, how naive D1 posts are in retrospect).

18 hours ago, Penguin moves vote from Newt to Ruler.

And within the hour, Akimiko moves THEIR vote from Newt to Ruler as well.

VC as of roughly 5:00 PM on Thursday, CST, 4 hours before rollover:

        Akimiko (1): Newt (weird vote)

        Ruler (4): Sart (inactivity), CD (inactivity), Penguin (late poke), Akimiko (lack of substance)

        Penguin (2): TOW (vibes), Ruler

        TOW (1): Hoid (weird vibes)

THAT is interesting. We see Ruler replace Newt as the main train in one fell swoop. If that was elim intended, it was executed quite smoothly. Things, however, get even crazier as rollover approaches:

First, Sart decides to remove the vote on Ruler, disliking the pileup, and shifts his vote to TOW for some retrospectively very vague reasoning.

CD shows up, and removes his vote from Ruler after Ruler shows up.

VC as of roughly 7:00 PM on Thursday, CST, 2 hours before rollover:

        Akimiko (1): Newt (weird vote)

        Ruler (2): Penguin (late poke), Akimiko (lack of substance)

        Penguin (2): TOW (vibes), Ruler

        TOW (2): Hoid (weird vibes), Sart (vibes?)

Penguin switches vote to TOW in self-pres.

Newt shows up, decides to cut Akimiko some slack, and votes TOW.

Final VC:

        Ruler (1): Akimiko (lack of substance)

        Penguin (2): TOW (vibes), Ruler

        TOW (4): Hoid (weird vibes), Sart (vibes?), Penguin (self-pres), Newt (weird posts)

Now expanded for today:
Timeline:
KSauce says he didn't remember Coder being considered village widely.
Hoid Slayer votes Ruler (I think bc of private message reasons, although Hoid I'd appreciate some elaboration on that vote)
Sart votes Penguin bc of CD's vote change putting pressure on Penguin
Penguin votes Sart bc only elim lean
KSauce votes Ruler for ruler not explaining his actions
Ruler votes Hoid Slayer, reasons unclear
Penguin votes Ruler for showing up and voting seemingly randomly without explanation
Akimiko votes Ruler, reasons unclear (akimiko would appreciate some elaboration)
Ruler elaborates on his vote, saying it was because Hoid voted him first
Ruler swaps to Penguin, reasons unclear
Iced tries to reconstruct political power rankings
Akimiko sends long rp
Hoid comments on Akimiko going for higher political power
Akimiko says they got 5th
Hoid asks if emojis count as words
Iced asks who got 6th, jokes that Akimiko doesn't want Hoid to get it twice.
Akimiko says they want to be at least 2nd so they can save someone
Iced asks if you can save yourself
Various conversation among Iced, TwinStorm about the pain of word counting (respect to TwinStorm btw for doing that)
KSauce says they think either Sart is village, or Sart and Akimiko are elims together.

Actions from last night that are known:
1. Hoid Slayer. Blocked CD (Level 1 action)
2. Booknewt. Protected Hoid Slayer (Level 2 action)
3. Sart (guessed). Unknown action.
4. Penguin (guessed). Watched for who targeted Hoid Slayer. Outcome was I did (wow who would've guessed) (Level 5 action)
5. Akimiko. Watched for who targeted Penguin. Was Sart. (Level 5 action)
6. Unknown. My guess is CD, although that's not certain obv. and I'm not counting.

Analysis:
There was no discrepancy in claimed action vs action level, unfortunately. Was hoping there would be bc that would be a strong elim indicator. and I want strong indicators not guesswork.

Penguin and Hoid are both focusing on reconstructing the political power and rankings, I agree with that focus frankly bc there's probably a ton of information that in most games when put together would point towards the elims but is never revealed bc players are worried they'll get killed by the elim for saying their role. But that doesn't matter here which is a major advantage for us frankly.

Either Sart and Penguin are a very elaborate elims-hate-each-other ruse, or they aren't the same alignment, or they're confused village. If they are both elim, Akimiko would have to be with them so that they could say that Sart targeted Penguin.

KSauce saying that they didn't think Coder was generally thought of as being village COULD be a self-aware elim, but I'm not going to go down rabbit holes this game, I have made a firm resolution not to do that unless I'm desperate after all the weird ones I did last game.

Blocking CD could be a good move to claim to do in e!Hoid world, bc then there'd be no one to question that action. Also kinda surprised elims didn't even try to kill Hoid tbh - maybe he was just too obvious a choice, but wouldn't elims want to go for an obvious choice so one of the elims is Hoid, but then they wouldn't get a kill bc an obvious choice would be protected so they wouldn't... yeah I'm going down a rabbit hole why am I so prone to doing that.

Reads:
Hoid: Either deepwolf or village.
Ruler: Too wolf to be wolf, in my mind. Either a very disengaged elim putting in the bare effort, or village. Like I've come up with random reasons to vote someone - see Divergent last game - and it's not that hard to do tbh if you want to blend in. Has a... heavy tendency to suspect whoever's voting him (suspected hoid, akimiko, and penguin, look who voted him...) I don't like that. If they're new, then that's a very clear elim sign in my mind.
Akimiko: Don't really know what to make of them. Seems like either a very eager first time player or elim in my mind, leaning towards the first though bc going to go easy on the first time player.
Dp: hi. not much to say here.
Sart: I don't like how Sart's acting tbh. Feels like Sart's trying too hard to vote Penguin today, if that makes any sense. The justification given seems pretty random, and they were all over the place yesterday - felt like a confused elim. But Sart said that they're really experienced, so confused elim wouldn't make sense here.
Penguin: Can't get a solid read here tbh. I mean clear clues aren't really to be expected from Hoid, Penguin, or Sart (but less so Sart bc Sart hasn't played in a while apparently) bc all three are very experienced. But yeah struggling to get a read there
KSauce: Neutral.

Votes:
Going to vote Sart for now, might switch to the Ruler train later. 

Don't like how fast the Ruler train formed which is my main reason for not joining it tbh.

So that brings my vote count to:
Ruler (3): Hoid Slayer, Penguin, Akimiko
Sart (1): Booknewt
Penguin (2): Sart, Ruler

Posted

Lord Sart slowly sipped his wine. It was a fine vintage, and he was savoring this moment. His family had called his mad. Senile. Too old to be capable in this day and age. They had cast him out, leaving him on a plantation where he couldn't be an embarrassment. Well, now who was embarrassed? They had been cast down with the Finale Empire that they had loved so dearly, while he was set to reap the profit of a new world. He took one final sip of the wine. Yes, some things really did get better with age.

"You're all wondering what I did last night, yes? It's quite simple. I pulled a few strings, and had my Noble Spies follow IcedOutPenguin last night. I watched as he visited Markus, promising to keep an eye out for him, despite that not really being needed. After all, Penguin had a different target in mind. My spies watched as he stole into Lord Your Mistake's house, presumably stabbing the poor man in the chest."

With that declaration, Sart rose from his chair.

"Make no mistake. IcedOutPenguin is a Final Empire Loyalist. That is the only way to explain him targeting two players last night."

I chose to sit on this information, waiting to see how the day would play out. I didn't want it tainted by this information leaking. It was certainly an interesting result. Lord Kelion, while not having a way with words, was clearly innocent. He had had Penguin pegged as evil from Day 1. Lady Cricket, while suspicious with her vote pattern, was corroborating his story. If she knew he had found out her teammate, why would she then follow his lead today? It's possible that her inexperience could play a factor, but he doubted it. It was unfortunate, but his main suspicion at this point was Lord Markus. While his activity was appreciated, he had opened up a new vote train, possibly in an attempt to get his teammate off the hook. That could wait for tomorrow though. For now, they had a Penguin to catch.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Sart said:

Lord Sart slowly sipped his wine. It was a fine vintage, and he was savoring this moment. His family had called his mad. Senile. Too old to be capable in this day and age. They had cast him out, leaving him on a plantation where he couldn't be an embarrassment. Well, now who was embarrassed? They had been cast down with the Finale Empire that they had loved so dearly, while he was set to reap the profit of a new world. He took one final sip of the wine. Yes, some things really did get better with age.

"You're all wondering what I did last night, yes? It's quite simple. I pulled a few strings, and had my Noble Spies follow IcedOutPenguin last night. I watched as he visited Markus, promising to keep an eye out for him, despite that not really being needed. After all, Penguin had a different target in mind. My spies watched as he stole into Lord Your Mistake's house, presumably stabbing the poor man in the chest."

With that declaration, Sart rose from his chair.

"Make no mistake. IcedOutPenguin is a Final Empire Loyalist. That is the only way to explain him targeting two players last night."

I chose to sit on this information, waiting to see how the day would play out. I didn't want it tainted by this information leaking. It was certainly an interesting result. Lord Kelion, while not having a way with words, was clearly innocent. He had had Penguin pegged as evil from Day 1. Lady Cricket, while suspicious with her vote pattern, was corroborating his story. If she knew he had found out her teammate, why would she then follow his lead today? It's possible that her inexperience could play a factor, but he doubted it. It was unfortunate, but his main suspicion at this point was Lord Markus. While his activity was appreciated, he had opened up a new vote train, possibly in an attempt to get his teammate off the hook. That could wait for tomorrow though. For now, they had a Penguin to catch.

Interesting.

It would be a really bad move to lie about this, unless you're somehow sure Penguin won't be exed this cycle. 

Ruler

Penguin

Posted
38 minutes ago, Sart said:

Lord Sart slowly sipped his wine. It was a fine vintage, and he was savoring this moment. His family had called his mad. Senile. Too old to be capable in this day and age. They had cast him out, leaving him on a plantation where he couldn't be an embarrassment. Well, now who was embarrassed? They had been cast down with the Finale Empire that they had loved so dearly, while he was set to reap the profit of a new world. He took one final sip of the wine. Yes, some things really did get better with age.

"You're all wondering what I did last night, yes? It's quite simple. I pulled a few strings, and had my Noble Spies follow IcedOutPenguin last night. I watched as he visited Markus, promising to keep an eye out for him, despite that not really being needed. After all, Penguin had a different target in mind. My spies watched as he stole into Lord Your Mistake's house, presumably stabbing the poor man in the chest."

With that declaration, Sart rose from his chair.

"Make no mistake. IcedOutPenguin is a Final Empire Loyalist. That is the only way to explain him targeting two players last night."

I chose to sit on this information, waiting to see how the day would play out. I didn't want it tainted by this information leaking. It was certainly an interesting result. Lord Kelion, while not having a way with words, was clearly innocent. He had had Penguin pegged as evil from Day 1. Lady Cricket, while suspicious with her vote pattern, was corroborating his story. If she knew he had found out her teammate, why would she then follow his lead today? It's possible that her inexperience could play a factor, but he doubted it. It was unfortunate, but his main suspicion at this point was Lord Markus. While his activity was appreciated, he had opened up a new vote train, possibly in an attempt to get his teammate off the hook. That could wait for tomorrow though. For now, they had a Penguin to catch.

What? I only targeted one player!

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