Will we see mass metalmind storing facilities in the future of Scadrial?

[Sythrin]

Normaly its impossible to store in metalminds during sleep (except if you are storing sleep itself).
But during era 2 we found out that the medallions can do that. As the crews of the airships had sleeping quarters and needed to store their weight even during their sleeping hours or the ships would sink.
So... If you would create a medallion that is part F-Bronze (wakefulness) and part anything else. You could force people to sleep for sedation and make them store anything in their sleep against their will.
The Bronze part would probably be even easier to produce. As I believe the medallions are partly created from hemalurgy and a spike can be split into multbible ones. They are just worse. That would be not a problem, as all you need is to make them store enough to sleep. The ammount that gets tapped does not matter.

The only question is hoq to make the metalminds identiless. To use for brouder usage.

[DracoAdamantus he/him]

1 hour ago, Sythrin said:

The Bronze part would probably be even easier to produce. As I believe the medallions are partly created from hemalurgy and a spike can be split into multbible ones. They are just worse.

There are WoBs that confirm Hemalurgy is not required to make the medallions.

Spoiler

Mojonero

Back before the Final Ascension, if you had a full Feruchemist and a Mistborn, both with access and knowledge of all 16 metals, could they make medallions without the use of Hemalurgy?

Brandon Sanderson

If they knew what to do maybe. Much easier with Hemalurgy - but it would be possible.

Dragonsteel Mini-Con 2021 (Nov. 22, 2021)

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Yata

If you have 32 Misting and Ferring, every kind possible, without using Hemalurgy, you can craft a medallion? Without the aftermath of the--

Brandon Sanderson

So could you craft a medallion... without-- oh. That should be possible, but this is one of the things where I have to dig out the notes and double-check myself. But this should be possible.

Oathbringer London signing (Nov. 28, 2017)

From which we can infer that medallions are not made out of spikes in any way.

1 hour ago, Sythrin said:

So... If you would create a medallion that is part F-Bronze (wakefulness) and part anything else. You could force people to sleep for sedation and make them store anything in their sleep against their will.

A few months ago, I would have said that this wouldn't work because you can't be forced to use a metalmind, you need to have the correct intent. However, in Emberdark we see something very interesting:

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Translation medallions work for characters who have zero knowledge of Feruchemy, meaning that just holding it causes them to start tapping the blank connection. So the Malwish have in some way gotten around the intent requirements of unsealed metalminds. However, there's two things that I 

• Connection is one of the spiritual attributes that we frankly just don't know enough about to understand how it fits in with normal Feruchemical rules. I personally have a theory in the works about this.
• The connection is being tapped, not stored. And I do think it would be harder to make a metalmind forcibly take an attribute from someone without the proper intent, as opposed to giving them one.

So we can't say one way or another if it is possible for non-connection unsealed metalminds to be forcibly used without intent, or for any kind of unsealed metalmind to be forcible filled without intent.

The jury is out on people being forced fill metalminds in this way, but I can definitely see there being an economy for it in the future, especially as a way to prey on those desperate for money. You go in, spend a few hours filling an unsealed mind, and you get some boxings for your time.

1 hour ago, Sythrin said:

The only question is hoq to make the metalminds identiless. To use for brouder usage.

This is the big question for the metalminds themselves, en masse or not, and unfortunately it's something we can't answer until we know exactly what the excisors are and what they do. I believe they are needed not just for creating the medallions, but for filling them with attributes, as Edwarn says in The Bands of Mourning that the medallions are useful, “But their reserves of heat are not eternal and we don't know how to refill them". Which implies that either the Set have not figured out identity blanking for unkeyed metalminds (unlikely), or that it requires more than just blanking identity to store attributes in an unsealed metalmind.

 

Edited October 16, 2025 by DracoAdamantus

[Wadders]

The weight medallions that they use on the airship allow them to store weight without issue so it might be that the way the medallions are created only allow the attribute to go one way in normal usage. Maybe the intent is imprinted on the medallion and something else is needed to change it.

So you create a medallion to store weight or provide heat but an extra step or tool is needed to switch it to tap weight or store heat.

The intent being imprinted on the medalion would explain why they can be used differently to standard metal minds. My guess would be that it is to do with the investiture stored in the nicrosil part of the medallion. Investiture can carry intent so it could be you focus on that intent when it is stored in the nicrosil metalmind

Edited October 16, 2025 by Wadders