How to filter investiture?

[Sythrin]

Presume we have a Twinborn that is capable of compounding, that swore the oaths.

How could they use the investiture that they get from Preservation to use for surgebinding?

Do we know that? Do we have some theories?

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

I would think that Preservation's Investiture has the wrong tone to be used to power Surges.

But there might be some interesting resonances... 

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

15 minutes ago, Sythrin said:

Presume we have a Twinborn that is capable of compounding, that swore the oaths.

How could they use the investiture that they get from Preservation to use for surgebinding?

Do we know that? Do we have some theories?

We do not know, beyond the fact that it may be possible but exceedingly difficult via a scant few WOBs.

Honestly, I'm not sure on how one would go about it, as Compounding is still a more 'internal' Invested Art, the power is either within the body and stays there until used up or stays put in a metalmind. Unlike with Stormlight or Purified Dor which are Invested Substances that can be stored and accessed much more easily by others by comparision.

At a minimum, the Twinborn will need F-Aluminum in order to Blank the Investiture they are generating, so they will be stuck only compounding with Aluminum, and we don't know for sure if that works or not, and they will miss out on any other more useful types of Compounding, like Steel or Gold.

I'm not even sure if this will be enough provided C-Aluminum works at all at actually generating Investiture. It'll be Blank, but a Surgebinder needs to 'Breathe in' more gaseous forms of Investiture for this to work, or absorb liquid types like in a Perpendicularity. Maybe by stuffing an Aluminummind with tons of Investiture, provided that works, then either liquifyeing or vaporizing it, it might become accessible as melting a metalmind will have an effect on the Investiture inside of it as stated by WOB, but we don't know how and one will end up burned by this if they came into contact with the superheated metal.

2 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

I would think that Preservation's Investiture has the wrong tone to be used to power Surges.

But there might be some interesting resonances... 

I think that it's ore that the key just doesn't fit the lock in terms of these differing Invested Arts.

-Metalborn either burn metals inside their bodies to turn it into Investiture or store it in metal where it is difficult to access any other way other than tapping it.

-Surgebinders breathe it in via external sources, which likely won't work well. Maybe if an Aluminum Compounder Blanked their Identity, then burned an Unkeyed Aluminummind they filled, they could try and 'breath it in' while burning it, but that's kind of a long shot in my opinion.

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

1 minute ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Maybe if an Aluminum Compounder Blanked their Identity, then burned an Unkeyed Aluminummind they filled, they could try and 'breath it in' while burning it, but that's kind of a long shot in my opinion.

OR maybe you could Blank yourself while compounding cadmium and maybe nicrosil (I don't know I'm throwing metals around) to then tap cadmium and get Stormlight.

But I wonder if cadmium feruchemy could be a way to store without it leaking. It would be cool if cadmiumminds could store gaseous Investiture.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

5 hours ago, Sythrin said:

Presume we have a Twinborn that is capable of compounding, that swore the oaths.

How could they use the investiture that they get from Preservation to use for surgebinding?

Do we know that? Do we have some theories?

NICROSIL TWINBORN

they literally compound 'investiture'

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

BRAIN BLAST!!!

My main issue in this topic is that the Investiture used in the Metallic Arts is set upon use, burning copper will generate Investiture that is only used in one specific way, not another. Unlike Stormlight which has no set use and is just a power source waiting to be used.

But, what if that Allomantic Investiture were to be siphoned out of the body it's usually contained in? Like, say, with a piece of Raysium? If an Allomancer were to burn a metal, be jabbed with a Raysium dagger that drains Stormlight from Radiants into gems, then perhaps the Preservation Investiture (Mistlight?) can be stored into Gems and manipulated! Then with the proper use of Tones and Rhythms and Vacuums and whatever else, could be Blanked of Identity like Stormlight can be, as confirmed in WaT, thus becoming usable by anyone with the proper ability!

You wouldn't even need compounding! You could just be a regular Allomancer burning a metal, have that Investiture you generate siphoned out into a gem and Blanked, then you could breathe it in to power your Surgebinding! Make your Allomancy a way to turn regular metals into pure Investiture!

It's genius! Or maybe I'm just a lunatic! Probably both!

[Sythrin]

24 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

NICROSIL TWINBORN

they literally compound 'investiture'

It is still not clear if you can store any kind of investiture. If you can store potent investiture like stormlight or biochromatic breaths or if it can only store inniate investiture like allomantic abilities or sandmastery.