Kelsier Era 2 Powers

[Denissimo He/him]

In Era 2, Kelsier doesn't have allomancy or feruchemy (Hopefully BS shed on light on how he made the bands of mourning in Era 3). Feruchemy is understandable, he NEVER had feruchemy.
But WHAT ABOUT ALLOMANCY?
When he died, it seemed like he had lost it, as he couldn't burn anything. He didn't have his abilities as a cognitive shadow, or when he took physical form.
Allomancy is hereditary, and draws on the power of preservation. But I am not sure where it is "contained". Let me elaborate.
It has been stated that, according to realmatic theory, the way Snapping works is that a traumatic event creates a "crack" in the soul where the power can "fit" into.
But when an allomancer dies, what happens to the power? Why doesn't it stay with them? And what exactly IS allomantic power? I know it is of preservation, drawing on investiture, but where EXACTLY is this ability in the "soul" or spiritweb, and where does it go if it doesnt stay after death?

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

3 hours ago, Denisimo said:

(Hopefully BS shed on light on how he made the bands of mourning in Era 3).

Best working theory is that Kelsier may have supplied the know-how in their creation, but Spook was the one to actually make them thanks to him being the only Mistborn around at the time and them planning to give him Feruchemy via Hemalurgy at the end of Secret History.

3 hours ago, Denisimo said:

But WHAT ABOUT ALLOMANCY?
When he died, it seemed like he had lost it, as he couldn't burn anything. He didn't have his abilities as a cognitive shadow, or when he took physical form.
Allomancy is hereditary, and draws on the power of preservation. But I am not sure where it is "contained". Let me elaborate.
It has been stated that, according to realmatic theory, the way Snapping works is that a traumatic event creates a "crack" in the soul where the power can "fit" into.
But when an allomancer dies, what happens to the power? Why doesn't it stay with them? And what exactly IS allomantic power? I know it is of preservation, drawing on investiture, but where EXACTLY is this ability in the "soul" or spiritweb, and where does it go if it doesnt stay after death?

It's not really clear why he can't use Allomancy at the moment.

When he was dead it made sense, he lacked a Physical body to burn Metals with. But he's walking around with one right now, but I'm pretty sure that it's not his original one. He can't use his Allomancy, can't use Hemalurgy for anything other than pinning his spirit to his new body, and it's implied that he can't use the Bands of Mourning either, since he said he is 'still looking' for a way to use Allomancy despite being credited with their creation.

It's been somewhat implied via WOB that his current body is a Mistwraith that ate his bones, with him possessing it through hemalurgy, pinning his spirit to the body. And it's been said that Kandra can't normally use Hemalurgy to gain Allomantic powers, unless they create specific Blessings like Bleeder did, which WOB confirmed are different than ordinary Hemalurgic Spikes and no one besides Bleeder, Rashek and Harmony knew how to make more.

So maybe if the method to creating Kandra Blessings gets out, that'll be the way for Kel to regain some of his powers. Not all of them at once, but it'll be better than nothing.

TL'DR, Kel can't use Allomancy because even though he has a body, he doesn't have a regular human body, which is interfering with his ability to use Allomancy. Or at least that's my theory.

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

4 minutes ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Best working theory is that Kelsier may have supplied the know-how in their creation, but Spook was the one to actually make them thanks to him being the only Mistborn around at the time and them planning to give him Feruchemy via Hemalurgy at the end of Secret History.

It's not really clear why he can't use Allomancy at the moment.

When he was dead it made sense, he lacked a Physical body to burn Metals with. But he's walking around with one right now, but I'm pretty sure that it's not his original one. He can't use his Allomancy, can't use Hemalurgy for anything other than pinning his spirit to his new body, and it's implied that he can't use the Bands of Mourning either, since he said he is 'still looking' for a way to use Allomancy despite being credited with their creation.

It's been somewhat implied via WOB that his current body is a Mistwraith that ate his bones, with him possessing it through hemalurgy, pinning his spirit to the body. And it's been said that Kandra can't normally use Hemalurgy to gain Allomantic powers, unless they create specific Blessings like Bleeder did, which WOB confirmed are different than ordinary Hemalurgic Spikes and no one besides Bleeder, Rashek and Harmony knew how to make more.

So maybe if the method to creating Kandra Blessings gets out, that'll be the way for Kel to regain some of his powers. Not all of them at once, but it'll be better than nothing.

TL'DR, Kel can't use Allomancy because even though he has a body, he doesn't have a regular human body, which is interfering with his ability to use Allomancy. Or at least that's my theory.

What I'm thinking is that Kelsier's death kind of 'jammed' his spirit web, so that even with a physical body he lost it when he died. However, this doesn't make much sense even to myself. Maybe the 2 artificial connections he has (Ire device connecting him to Pres, the spike connecting him to the Physical Realm) have overriden the connection that grants Allomancy. 

Sazed did alter how Allomancy works to change Snapping and stuff, so maybe Kelsier's Allomancy is just outdated. Spook was granted Mistborn powers after the Catacendre, so he would be around. We'd probably have known if Breeze and the others were cut off, but maybe it's because they were alive whilst Sazed un-did Rashek's ash-surviving modifications?

Actually, that makes more sense, as Allomancy is part of one's sDNA. Sazed could've altered everyone's sDNA to revert the LR's changes and change Snapping, but Kelsier was dead at the time and wasn't changed.

[Denissimo He/him]

Thanks, that helped a lot.

[Trusk'our he/him]

8 hours ago, Denisimo said:

In Era 2, Kelsier doesn't have allomancy or feruchemy (Hopefully BS shed on light on how he made the bands of mourning in Era 3). Feruchemy is understandable, he NEVER had feruchemy.
But WHAT ABOUT ALLOMANCY?
When he died, it seemed like he had lost it, as he couldn't burn anything. He didn't have his abilities as a cognitive shadow, or when he took physical form.
Allomancy is hereditary, and draws on the power of preservation. But I am not sure where it is "contained". Let me elaborate.
It has been stated that, according to realmatic theory, the way Snapping works is that a traumatic event creates a "crack" in the soul where the power can "fit" into.
But when an allomancer dies, what happens to the power? Why doesn't it stay with them? And what exactly IS allomantic power? I know it is of preservation, drawing on investiture, but where EXACTLY is this ability in the "soul" or spiritweb, and where does it go if it doesnt stay after death?

Over on the Cosmere discussion forum I posted my own hypothesis for Kelsier's limits on his powers.

In short, I think his limitations are because he is so saturated with Preservation's essence (being a Sliver, Mistborn, and CS) that Ruin's new subservience to Preservation in Harmony also weakens Hemalurgy's effects on Kelsier. He can get little effects, like using a spike as a bridge to the PR, Connecting him to his old bones, but little else.

 

[Denissimo He/him]

Thank you for the theory, currently hoping all will be revealed in Era 3.
I also find it ironic and kind of hilarious how Kelsier, who dies in the very first book of Era 1, somehow ends up being the only remaining member of the original crew in Era 2 and eventually Era 3.

[Trusk'our he/him]

3 minutes ago, Denisimo said:

Thank you for the theory, currently hoping all will be revealed in Era 3.
I also find it ironic and kind of hilarious how Kelsier, who dies in the very first book of Era 1, somehow ends up being the only remaining member of the original crew in Era 2 and eventually Era 3.

Marsh and Sazed are still alive too, and some on the Shard are crossing their fingers for Spook's return. 

[Denissimo He/him]

Yes. Kelsier, however, was COMPLETELY unexpected for me; of course, the whole thing with Marsh's hemalurgy and Sazed's ascension are suprising, bus kelsier literally DIED in the first book of Era 1, which for me removd any chance of his return.

14 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Marsh and Sazed are still alive too, and some on the Shard are crossing their fingers for Spook's return. 

As for Spook, I really think he could serve as a MAJOR part of the plot if he is still there in Era 3.
Though BS will need to explain where he was throughout Era 2, if he does appear in Era 3. I have a theory, which I concede is a bit unlikely, that Spook has been headed to Harmony's perpendicularity, guided by Sazed.
Though I have no idea why he would do so. I just thought it would be an interesting twist.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 hour ago, Denisimo said:

Yes. Kelsier, however, was COMPLETELY unexpected for me; of course, the whole thing with Marsh's hemalurgy and Sazed's ascension are suprising, bus kelsier literally DIED in the first book of Era 1, which for me removd any chance of his return.

As for Spook, I really think he could serve as a MAJOR part of the plot if he is still there in Era 3.
Though BS will need to explain where he was throughout Era 2, if he does appear in Era 3. I have a theory, which I concede is a bit unlikely, that Spook has been headed to Harmony's perpendicularity, guided by Sazed.
Though I have no idea why he would do so. I just thought it would be an interesting twist.

After he died, I was in a haze of denial the rest of the book

I remember Vin killing TLR and me being like:

Kelsier can't be dead, right? He has too... Faked his death? He is hope, right? HOW DID HE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *cries*

[Denissimo He/him]

1 hour ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

After he died, I was in a haze of denial the rest of the book

I remember Vin killing TLR and me being like:

Kelsier can't be dead, right? He has too... Faked his death? He is hope, right? HOW DID HE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *cries*

SAME. I spent the entire flippin series expecting for him to come back to life somehow, and only discovered what he had been DOING this entire time in the secret history.