Nitpicking Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 Working with Lift, Vasher finally comes to understand how Stormlight/Lifelight/Towerlight work, and as of the Back Half, he can Awaken using Light.
Jult Posted April 25, 2025 Posted April 25, 2025 I think I'd be more interested in just seeing Vasher bond a Spren and have access to both Surges and Breaths without necessarily combining the two. Hoid uses both already, so it's possible. Or maybe he'll just reunite with Nightblood since Nightblood can grant access to Surges now. Either way I would like to see him rise in the ranks of Worldhoppers playing around with multiple forms of Investiture. From what we've seen so far, he's just been dabbling in it.
Nitpicking Posted April 26, 2025 Author Posted April 26, 2025 Vasher hates gods. He said so himself. He might not want Surges that are granted by Honor/Odium/Retribution. Just tossing that idea out there.
Nitpicking Posted April 27, 2025 Author Posted April 27, 2025 (edited) Crack theory: Venli is one of Brandon's many "brilliant scholar who is also an action hero" characters. (Prince Raoden, Elend, Shai, Navani, Jasnah, Wax the metallurgist and Marasi the college-educated criminologist, Vasher and the rest of the Five, Sigzil, Jerick ...) In Book Six, she learns about how the Heralds were made and what they do. She has a strong Connection to both Odium (she's a Regal) and Honor (she's a Radiant), meaning she constructively has a strong Connection to Retribution. She forms a new set of Heralds, 9 of them (Odium's number), to bind Retribution even further, forcing him to allow sunlight to shine again. Maybe the 9 Heralds are all Singers? Ba-Ado-Mishram is the "piece of a god" needed by Ishar's formula? Edited April 27, 2025 by Nitpicking 1
Jult Posted April 28, 2025 Posted April 28, 2025 17 hours ago, Nitpicking said: Crack theory: Venli is one of Brandon's many "brilliant scholar who is also an action hero" characters. (Prince Raoden, Elend, Shai, Navani, Jasnah, Wax the metallurgist and Marasi the college-educated criminologist, Vasher and the rest of the Five, Sigzil, Jerick ...) In Book Six, she learns about how the Heralds were made and what they do. She has a strong Connection to both Odium (she's a Regal) and Honor (she's a Radiant), meaning she constructively has a strong Connection to Retribution. She forms a new set of Heralds, 9 of them (Odium's number), to bind Retribution even further, forcing him to allow sunlight to shine again. Maybe the 9 Heralds are all Singers? Ba-Ado-Mishram is the "piece of a god" needed by Ishar's formula? An interesting thing that occurred to me about the 'new' Oathpact from the end of WaT is that Kaladin lacks the connection to Odium that the original Heralds had. So, the new Oathpact sort of already has 10 connections to Honor and 9 connections to Odium. I'm sure the duality of Venli's powers will come into play in a big way. But I don't know if it will be through a new Oathpact. I think you're right that she'll lean into her scholarly background. Maybe she'll join Navani in Urithiru and help her continue to investigate the connections between the different types of Lights and Tones since Raboniel sure isn't around to continue assisting. 1
Petrichor He/Him Posted April 28, 2025 Posted April 28, 2025 4 hours ago, Jult said: An interesting thing that occurred to me about the 'new' Oathpact from the end of WaT is that Kaladin lacks the connection to Odium that the original Heralds had. So, the new Oathpact sort of already has 10 connections to Honor and 9 connections to Odium. I'm sure the duality of Venli's powers will come into play in a big way. But I don't know if it will be through a new Oathpact. I think you're right that she'll lean into her scholarly background. Maybe she'll join Navani in Urithiru and help her continue to investigate the connections between the different types of Lights and Tones since Raboniel sure isn't around to continue assisting. Kaladin was selected as odiums champion after dalinar but he rejected odium at the end of RoW. the full 10 connections to Odium are there 4
Nitpicking Posted April 29, 2025 Author Posted April 29, 2025 23 hours ago, Petrichor said: Kaladin was selected as odiums champion after dalinar but he rejected odium at the end of RoW. the full 10 connections to Odium are there If you think about it, in Words of Radiance Moash and Graves tempt Kaladin specifically with Retribution, with vengeance against the lighteyes and Elhokar. He resists, but it's a close thing.
Petrichor He/Him Posted April 30, 2025 Posted April 30, 2025 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nitpicking said: If you think about it, in Words of Radiance Moash and Graves tempt Kaladin specifically with Retribution, with vengeance against the lighteyes and Elhokar. He resists, but it's a close thing. I wrote a whole long post just to realize I miss read yours. Absolutely they did but I doubt Sanderson was thinking toward retribution that far back. If he was and there’s WoB on it please correct me. Edited April 30, 2025 by Petrichor
Nitpicking Posted May 1, 2025 Author Posted May 1, 2025 19 hours ago, Petrichor said: I wrote a whole long post just to realize I miss read yours. Absolutely they did but I doubt Sanderson was thinking toward retribution that far back. If he was and there’s WoB on it please correct me. I was engaging in wordplay. Kaladin was tempted by retribution, the act of taking vengeance for an offense. OTOH, I wouldn't be shocked at all to find that Brandon had Retribution in his outline by then.
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