Thaylen City and Azish Empire

[Calvin101]

I kind of thought this would end up being on the radiants' side as well. Assuming the Thaylens want to back out, Odium clearly said the city was on the verge of an orchestrated coup. And Rysn was very concerned about the artefabrian contract being void for being singed under duress. Sooo wasn't the contact with Odium also singed under duress by Thaylen's own laws? Additionally isn't there significant legal justification for saying the entirety of the Azish Empire is still under the radiants control? The Azish didn't accept the secession of a large part of their empire. It seems to me the Azish can go to war without actually breaking the peace. 

[Ashbringer he/him]

Part of the issue is that in addition to the regional laws, Alethi Law is also the main consideration. And I doubt Alethi conquest law particularly cares about the Thaylens being not “under duress”. (Plus there’s still the question of if they’d want to rejoin, as Taravangian had some good points + Fen probably negotiated pretty good terms for her surrender, I’d guess.)

The Azish sub-territories are interesting, though. Adolin may have an in to try and take those back without breaking the rules, though I doubt it’d be as simple as saying “hey get out”.

But also, the humans always have the power to try and take things back - Rayse was always careful about that kind of wording. If they think they can beat the singers, and whatever wrath Retribution can enact, the coalition’s welcome to try.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

5 hours ago, Calvin101 said:

I kind of thought this would end up being on the radiants' side as well. Assuming the Thaylens want to back out, Odium clearly said the city was on the verge of an orchestrated coup. And Rysn was very concerned about the artefabrian contract being void for being singed under duress. Sooo wasn't the contact with Odium also singed under duress by Thaylen's own laws?

This is in effect a peace treaty. All peace treaties are signed under duress. That is kind of the point. One side has been defeated or its defeat is imminent.

[QuantumAce]

14 hours ago, Calvin101 said:

And Rysn was very concerned about the artefabrian contract being void for being singed under duress. Sooo wasn't the contact with Odium also singed under duress by Thaylen's own laws?

Vstim said Navani was bullied into signing the contract during a time of stress and turmoil, which might give Navani grounds to claim it was signed under duress. My impression was this was a reflection of Vstim's mindset, more than an actual risk. Testing the contract with a case of his choosing allows him to establish precedent on his terms. Fen did not necessarily want to sign an agreement with Odium, but she chose to based on the opportunity to lock in favorable terms. Both are examples of finding a way to exert control in a less than ideal situation. Using the wind instead of fighting it, if you will. 

12 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

Plus there’s still the question of if they’d want to rejoin, as Taravangian had some good points + Fen probably negotiated pretty good terms for her surrender, I’d guess.

Fen has no problem exploiting Taravangian's desire to defeat Jasnah. 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

10 hours ago, QuantumAce said:

Fen did not necessarily want to sign an agreement with Odium, but she chose to based on the opportunity to lock in favorable terms. Both are examples of finding a way to exert control in a less than ideal situation. Using the wind instead of fighting it, if you will.

In hindsight I think it was no accident that the Rosharan left out to the sun in The Sunlit Man was Thaylen.