F-Duralumin and deadeye shardblade

[DoctaDajman]

What do you think being able to gain higher connection with a deadeye shardblade could allow a duralumin ferring to do?  

[Trusk'our he/him]

53 minutes ago, DoctaDajman said:

What do you think being able to gain higher connection with a deadeye shardblade could allow a duralumin ferring to do?  

Well, given that some of Shallan's early Surgebinding feats were accomplished before her bonding to Pattern, I think it's at least worth considering that a Connector might be able to tap into various Surges with enough Connection.

Another very plausible application could be summoning the Spren quicker than ten heartbeats, or maybe changing its shape more easily.

Another weird, convoluted application might be to store the Connection of a bonded Deadeye, break the bond and give it to someone else you're enemies with, then when they try to turn the Blade on you just tap loads of Connection and summon it right before they strike you. Then stab them 

Edited February 27, 2025 by Trusk'our

[Quantus he/him]

There's two questions, what can the Bond Do and what can a Ferring Tap.  An aluminum Ferring can only do things in short bursts without some Compounding Hack*, and they'd have to deal with lowering the Bond while Storing.  

The Deadeye Bond itself is another question.  If we assume Adolin has increased the Bond he had with Maya from the gem, etc and didnt forge something entirely new, that's probably out best example of what the bond can do on a scale.  Tapping should make it easier to Summon in a shorter timeframe, hold it solid to throw, and if sustained well enough it might reawaken the deadeye spren like Maya.  We havent seen her shapeshift that I recall but I wouldnt put it past them.  But Feruchemcially Storing the Bond could be damaging to the deadeye spren itself along the same lines of a Radiant regressing on their Oaths, so there might be serious consequences without compounding.  

 

*I dont know you can, but I also dont know you Cant do something as simple as tuning-fork transfer Stormlight into a Metalmind to re/over-charge a pre-tuned Metalmind, or some such. Stormlight doesnt go into metal without a feruchemist but it already interacts with it in fabrials so it might be half-way there. 

[DoctaDajman]

1 hour ago, Quantus said:

There's two questions, what can the Bond Do and what can a Ferring Tap.  An aluminum Ferring can only do things in short bursts without some Compounding Hack*, and they'd have to deal with lowering the Bond while Storing.  

The Deadeye Bond itself is another question.  If we assume Adolin has increased the Bond he had with Maya from the gem, etc and didnt forge something entirely new, that's probably out best example of what the bond can do on a scale.  Tapping should make it easier to Summon in a shorter timeframe, hold it solid to throw, and if sustained well enough it might reawaken the deadeye spren like Maya.  We havent seen her shapeshift that I recall but I wouldnt put it past them.  But Feruchemcially Storing the Bond could be damaging to the deadeye spren itself along the same lines of a Radiant regressing on their Oaths, so there might be serious consequences without compounding.  

 

*I dont know you can, but I also dont know you Cant do something as simple as tuning-fork transfer Stormlight into a Metalmind to re/over-charge a pre-tuned Metalmind, or some such. Stormlight doesnt go into metal without a feruchemist but it already interacts with it in fabrials so it might be half-way there. 

Wouldn't the damage done to the deadeye revert once the connection was tapped again?  Or do you think there is something about it being net neutral to the ferring but not neutral to the spren?  

I like the idea of Speeding up the summoning process and perhaps changing the shape of the blade. Both extremely useful. 

[Quantus he/him]

50 minutes ago, DoctaDajman said:

Wouldn't the damage done to the deadeye revert once the connection was tapped again?  Or do you think there is something about it being net neutral to the ferring but not neutral to the spren?  

More Id be concerns with a potential for the accumulated trauma of a repeating cycle of pain, damage, and (hopefully) healing.  I dont think the feruchemical side of things are going to be an issue from an end-neutral, etc way, but I think the living nature of the Spren and the more Intent sensitive nature of rosharan magics.  They might cause direct harm to the spren from the cycles, or the bond might not recover without an actual Change of your mind/Intent such that you cant heal the Damage so long as you meant to do it and fully intend to do it again.  

 

[DoctaDajman]

2 hours ago, Quantus said:

More Id be concerns with a potential for the accumulated trauma of a repeating cycle of pain, damage, and (hopefully) healing.  I dont think the feruchemical side of things are going to be an issue from an end-neutral, etc way, but I think the living nature of the Spren and the more Intent sensitive nature of rosharan magics.  They might cause direct harm to the spren from the cycles, or the bond might not recover without an actual Change of your mind/Intent such that you cant heal the Damage so long as you meant to do it and fully intend to do it again.  

 

This is interesting and may lead to my cosmere version of synth rights argument from fallout. 

I never really thought about lasting damage even to the spren. I dont think storing connection between people would really damage a bond or relationship. From my understanding of duralumin feruchemy I always thought that storing was basically just not even caring. You have to have a connection to someone to hurt and when you store that connection it isn't a betrayal it just is nothing. 

I guess this is the closest thing in the cosmere to that new show Severance where they completely seperate the persons home life from their work life. Its like 2 different living people in the same body and only one of them is active at once. While one is existing the other doesnt. 

Same thing in my mind to the storing of connections. I dont think storing that connection is a breaking of that bond so much as that bond simply doesn't exist. 

Do we have any ideas what spren life for the deadeyes was like between being bonded to their radiant and the deadeye bonds we see now?  It seems they are in pain when they are summoned not the other way around right?  

So what if storing that connection and that bond returns them to a sort of resting point as opposed to hurting them? Because I don't see the deadeye bond as being the same as making oaths and then breaking them.  

Although would breaking that bond just cause them to return to their pre bonded state which is permanently in the physical realm?  And if they are in the physical realm permanently then wouldn't they be relieved of the pains? 

Perhaps manipulating these bonds would instead appear as them existing in the physical realm and not turning to mist when let go.  Perhaps retapping that bond does in fact allow one to summon quicker and change the blade a bit. 

Its all speculation but I think understanding the headspace of a deadblade may help and the difference between one that is again bonded or not. Which is worse? Being a deadeye in the cognitive realm bonded against your will, or a deadblade with no bond at all anymore in the physical realm? 

Edited February 28, 2025 by DoctaDajman