Hypothetical: Autonomy comes to Roshar

[Elder]

Given the circumstances, and the following:

1. Autonomy likes to infiltrate planets and set up avatars, undermining the local shards

2. Autonomy is particularly opposed to mixed shards, and is probably exceptionally bothered by the advent of retribution 

What would autonomy try on Roshar to take down Retribution?

Is there already a good seed religion anywhere for her? Vorinism was Honor’s, the Passions was definitely Odium’s… Purelakers? Could she invest a Reshi Greatshell? It wouldn’t be her first Island, and boldness could align with a value of autonomy.

I also could see a freedom cult among the Unoathed.

[DiePie]

I love the idea. I have a hard time thinking Autonomy sees Harmony as a larger threat than Retribution. So obviously she needs to get in on the action. I think the Reshi or Purelaker cultures are by far the most individualistic on Roshar, a greatshell seems the natural place to start.

 

My only worry is how Retribution would react. I don't see how an avatar on Roshar could avoid being turned to red mist as soon as its discovered, the only way one was able to grow so powerful on Scadrial is because Sazed is unable to take direct action.

[logicless.bt]

The boldest thing to do would be to co-opt the Thaylen Passions. Yes it's derived from Odium, but following your own heart is very autonomous.

[Elder]

I think of the Rysn’s debate with the son of the Reshi King.  That guy definitely valued autonomy.

Edited December 13, 2024 by Elder

[Rynon2112]

I will say this, I was reading the part were Dalinar talks to Nohadon and there is description of him

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In the small kitchen beyond, he found a shorter man with an Alethi or Veden look about him. Silver hair, pointed beard. Smile lines and simple, old - fashioned grey robes, embroidered red and yellow. He was working at an archaic oven, all stone and brick, with a front that could not be closed.
 

I have been conditioned to think of autonomy when those two colours are mentioned together.

[QuantumHarmonix he/him]

I could see Battar joining her to get free from her bonds to both halves of Retribution. 

[Argenti he/him]

11 hours ago, Rynon2112 said:

I will say this, I was reading the part were Dalinar talks to Nohadon and there is description of him

I have been conditioned to think of autonomy when those two colours are mentioned together.

Don't forget, Odium's colors are red-gold.

[Qianweilian He/him]

On 12/13/2024 at 6:53 AM, Argenti said:

Don't forget, Odium's colors are red-gold.

I think Nohadon is neither Odium nor Autonomy related. If he is related to a shard, it will be Valor or Reason

[Rynon2112]

On 12/13/2024 at 12:53 PM, Argenti said:

Don't forget, Odium's colors are red-gold.

It's more like a redish gold and "ultraviolet", not red and gold. The men of red and gold were the ones that Autonomy sent to Scadrial, that's why I associate the colour with the Shard.
 

 

On 12/14/2024 at 4:39 PM, Qianweilian said:

I think Nohadon is neither Odium nor Autonomy related. If he is related to a shard, it will be Valor or Reason

I will say, at the end of the book when Odium tries to grab Dalinars soul and the Shards say to him: 
 

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You cannot have him, the powers said, for he is claimed by another.

[BlueWildRye he/him]

37 minutes ago, Rynon2112 said:

I will say, at the end of the book when Odium tries to grab Dalinars soul and the Shards say to him: 
 

How did I miss this? Does this mean another Shard has its eyes on Dalinar?

[Qianweilian He/him]

4 hours ago, Rynon2112 said:

It's more like a redish gold and "ultraviolet", not red and gold. The men of red and gold were the ones that Autonomy sent to Scadrial, that's why I associate the colour with the Shard.

Odium's color is gold, not red. Red is the color of corrupted investiture in general, that's why it's related to Trell.

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Questioner

So, we know in Mistborn there is this running... you can say, motif about Ruin being associated with the color black and Preservation with the color white, we see a lot of very subtle and a lot of very unsubtle...

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah, yes.

Questioner

Is such a motif present in any other books? I think I see it in Stormlight.

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah, in Stormlight you can see it. So, Ruin is a red-gold... not Ruin, Odium. Odium is a red-gold. Honor is a blue-white and Cultivation is green, obviously. So, those motifs stay, when you... when you see a red or a gold, it's a reddish gold sort of thing, either of those colors, it's going to be Odium.

Questioner

Even when we something we might suspect to be outside influence in other worlds?

Brandon Sanderson

Not necessarily, because red can also mean corrupted Investiture in the Cosmere. So, I would call Odium's real color gold, because you're going to see red when Odium is corrupting other things, so...

Questioner

It's not necessarily on Roshar.

Brandon Sanderson

It's not necessarily Odium. So, you're asking for the invading force on Mistborn, it doesn't necessarily mean Odium because it's red. So red just kind of means corruption. I've talked about that before, so. Not necessarily, not definitive, yeah.

 

[Argenti he/him]

20 hours ago, Ookla Rye said:

How did I miss this? Does this mean another Shard has its eyes on Dalinar?

It's just how Dalinar is going to the beyond. He stretches, and vanishes from Retribution's sight.

 

21 hours ago, Rynon2112 said:

It's more like a redish gold and "ultraviolet", not red and gold. The men of red and gold were the ones that Autonomy sent to Scadrial, that's why I associate the colour with the Shard.

As others have said, red just means corruption, them being red mean they're explicitly not related to Autonomy, not naturally at least.