External Resonances?

[Trusk'our he/him]

It is possible to form a Resonance by using powers that aren't innately part of your Spiritweb. All it seems to need is a regular use of the Investiture. 

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https://wob.coppermind.net/events/332-jordancon-2018/#e9494

yulerule

Okay, so Twinborn have [resonances], but full Mistborn don't, right?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

yulerule

So then I assume that a nonmagical person, like someone who doesn't have magic, holding the Bands of Mourning will not have no perks.

Brandon Sanderson

I would say they would not.

yulerule

Will a Twinborn that's holding the Bands of Mourning still have their original perk?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

yulerule

Or, if a Ferring is holding the Bands, and they use just one ability, will they develop a perk, tied to the one second ability they are using?

Brandon Sanderson

The longer they use it, the more likely that this is to happen.

yulerule

Using Investiture a lot over a long period changes your Spiritweb. So what happens if a nonmagical uses the Bands for a while?

Brandon Sanderson

Same thing that would happen to someone else, um, it would have a definite effect on them. *laughter* It would change them, as... in similar ways. Not exactly the same, but in similar ways.

This makes me wonder, what if an Investiture is used on someone?

For example, if a Misting or Ferring had a Nicroburst affect them frequently, would they develop a Resonance from that?

Or, if Regrowth was used on an Allomancer frequently, would that be enough to develop a Resonance?

Edited December 11, 2024 by Trusk'our

[Treamayne]

6 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

For example, if a Misting or Ferring had a Nicroburst affect them frequently, would they develop a Resonance from that?

Or, if Regrowth was used on an Allomancer frequently, would that be enough to develop a Resonance?

Unlikely. This WoB (not a direct answer - question was something else) implies that part of Resonance is Identity and Connection. The Nicroburst or Regrwith does not have your identity or connection because it is something done to you, not by you. 

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Argent

We know that you can't Lash people in Shardplate, but can you Lash the person inside the Plate? If they had their helm off, for example. At that point Plate should be just dead weight, right? 

Brandon Sanderson

There's a bit of an interference envelope. Wearing plate, the person has this big ball of investiture around them, and so pushing any through it--even by touching a person without a helm--is going to be tough. Easier than with the helm on though, I suppose.

Investiture acts (roughly) like a saturated solution in these cases. Sticking more power into something like a Feruchemical storage or a hyper-invested object like Plate is increasingly hard. The other part is that Investiture tends to interfere with other Investiture, unless there's a familiar resonance. (This is part of what philosophers call Identity.) Slapping your hand through a sand master's stream of sand will cause interference, and make them start to drop. It's not that the sand is supporting them, it's that the investiture holding them up gets scrambled for a moment because of your own investiture.

Investiture pushed toward someone inside a hyper-invested (supersaturated) system like a person in Shardplate is going to get hard push-back.

This is similar to the reason that it's harder to Push on invested coins. Depends on how invested they are, in that case. It's generally not as hard as doing something like Lashing a person in plate. (This is more about the interference than the saturation of investiture.) But the two principles are what I use to guide the physics in these areas.

Stormlight Three Update #4 (Nov. 2, 2016)

So, two MoIs that share Identity and Connection can have a Resonance with each other - but too many MoIs (e. g. Mistborn) and the Resonance is muddled. If Identity and Connection do not match, no Resonance occurs because Interference becomes a factor instead. 

All other Resonance WoBs I found on a quick search were RAFO or not dealing with this aspect. 

Hope that helps

Hope th

Edited December 11, 2024 by Treamayne
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[Trusk'our he/him]

19 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

Unlikely. This WoB (not a direct answer - question was something else) implies that part of Resonance is Identity and Connection. The Nicroburst or Regrwith does not have your identity or connection because it is something done to you, not by you. 

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Argent

We know that you can't Lash people in Shardplate, but can you Lash the person inside the Plate? If they had their helm off, for example. At that point Plate should be just dead weight, right? 

Brandon Sanderson

There's a bit of an interference envelope. Wearing plate, the person has this big ball of investiture around them, and so pushing any through it--even by touching a person without a helm--is going to be tough. Easier than with the helm on though, I suppose.

Investiture acts (roughly) like a saturated solution in these cases. Sticking more power into something like a Feruchemical storage or a hyper-invested object like Plate is increasingly hard. The other part is that Investiture tends to interfere with other Investiture, unless there's a familiar resonance. (This is part of what philosophers call Identity.) Slapping your hand through a sand master's stream of sand will cause interference, and make them start to drop. It's not that the sand is supporting them, it's that the investiture holding them up gets scrambled for a moment because of your own investiture.

Investiture pushed toward someone inside a hyper-invested (supersaturated) system like a person in Shardplate is going to get hard push-back.

This is similar to the reason that it's harder to Push on invested coins. Depends on how invested they are, in that case. It's generally not as hard as doing something like Lashing a person in plate. (This is more about the interference than the saturation of investiture.) But the two principles are what I use to guide the physics in these areas.

Stormlight Three Update #4 (Nov. 2, 2016)

So, two MoIs that share Identity and Connection can have a Resonance with each other - but too many MoIs (e. g. Mistborn) and the Resonance is muddled. If Identity and Connection do not match, no Resonance occurs because Interference becomes a factor instead. 

All other Resonance WoBs I found on a quick search were RAFO or not dealing with this aspect. 

Hope that helps

Hope th

That would certainly make sense. 

Perhaps this is part of the reason Hemalurgic spikes don't generate Resonances?

[Treamayne]

25 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Perhaps this is part of the reason Hemalurgic spikes don't generate Resonances?

Identity Contamination seems plausible, yes.