BinarySecond Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 Much as the title questions. I've seen people wondering that if Odium wins against D-Honor that Odium can just be released from the Roshar system. The agreement as follows: “Agreed,” Odium said. “But if I win, I keep everything I’ve won—including your homeland. I still remain bound to this system, and will still cease hostilities as you said above. But I will have your soul. To serve me, immortal. Will you do this? Because I agree to these terms.” “And I,” Dalinar whispered. “I agree to these terms.” As long as Honor follows this agreement wouldn't Odium have a Shard bound in service without the restrictions holding two shards would impart. And further, as long as Honor is following this Oath to serve can the power be used more "freely" as it's the fulfilment of the oath? What do people think? 1
spaidapig he/him Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 If Dalinar ascends to Honor, then loses the conflict/dies in the conflict, I don't think he will be the Shard anymore, as he will be dead and the shard will drop again. 1
CognitiveShadow he/him Posted October 16, 2024 Posted October 16, 2024 46 minutes ago, spaidapig said: If Dalinar ascends to Honor, then loses the conflict/dies in the conflict, I don't think he will be the Shard anymore, as he will be dead and the shard will drop again. But what if he ascends during the contest... he would techinically die in the process of the ascension, which would mean that he has lost the contest and would be brought back as a fused... But what I think happens is that Dalinar tries to forge a Connection between the power of Honor and the power of Odium, merging the shards and giving tOdium a sense of honor to help guide his passion/odium.
BinarySecond Posted October 17, 2024 Author Posted October 17, 2024 16 hours ago, CognitiveShadow said: But what if he ascends during the contest... he would techinically die in the process of the ascension, which would mean that he has lost the contest and would be brought back as a fused... But what I think happens is that Dalinar tries to forge a Connection between the power of Honor and the power of Odium, merging the shards and giving tOdium a sense of honor to help guide his passion/odium. A forced merge is pretty cool actually.
CognitiveShadow he/him Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, BinarySecond said: A forced merge is pretty cool actually. Yeah, that's where my expectations are at this point - I think this was part of a last-ditch effort by Honor as he was dying. He attached his cognitive shadow to the stormfather so that he could (hopefully) help guide the next bondsmith and get them to do this forced shard merge. But I think his merging with the stormfather was a more traumatic experience for both of them than he expected and they have had some muddied memories, goals, Intent, etc. that has gotten in their way. I expect that Dalinar will try to take up Honor's power and ascend as part of the contest of champions, thinking he needs to access the power in order to win the contest. As he does that, he will technically die, which means he will have lost the contest. He will try to fight back against Odium, but since he lost the contest he is supposed to serve Odium, so his rebellion means Odium can destroy him. Enter Kaladin, who will return just in time. He will have bonded the Wind and become an OG bondsmith, and will also have learned from Ishar how to do this kind of forced connection/merger of the shards. He will use these new powers to combine both powers, but Dalinar will still be destroyed. Taravangian becomes the shard of the combined Honor and Odium shards. Unfortunately, this will make him even more dangerous because he will be able to control the shard more but it will also strengthen his resolve and conviction that his goals to destroy the other shards are honorable and based on justice/wrath. Plus Dalinar then gets brought back as a fused and has to work for Taravangian forever. Sets the stage for the back half of the stormlight books. Edit to add: I also think Navani plays a part here too - I think she and Kaladin (maybe Dalinar if he isn't incapacitated) work together to force the shard merger. Navani does have experience combining Odium and Honor's investiture after all! Plus there will probabaly be something to do with the tones/rhythms of roshar and playing the flute, recognizing those rhythms and getting the wind to sing along with them, etc. I think all that comes into play as they then apply their bondsmith powers to make the connection Edited October 17, 2024 by CognitiveShadow
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