Sythrin Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 As I understand. In the oathpact, the heralds could banish the fused to Dannation when they defeated them as long as they uphold it. But through a loophole, the fused could always take at least one of Heralds with them to torture them up their until they break. How could they do that? 1
Treamayne Posted October 10, 2024 Posted October 10, 2024 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sythrin said: As I understand. In the oathpact, the heralds could banish the fused to Damnation when they defeated them as long as they uphold it. But through a loophole, the fused could always take at least one of Heralds with them to torture them up their until they break. How could they do that? That is the Loophole. The Oathpact was designed that the Heralds would be sent to Braize and the Fused could not return to Roshar while they were there (but if the Heralds did not return to Braize, the Desolation would resume). The Loophole was if the Herald(s) "allowed" the Fused to return to Roshar, then they all would go back to Roshar - hence their use of torture to coerce permission from the Herald(s). "Break" in these terms is giving into the Torture and allowing the return. WoBs: Spoiler Quote luke.spence (paraphrased) What caused a Desolation to end? Was it just the defeat of Odium's forces? Because the Desolations start when the Heralds break under torture. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Because the Heralds can no longer be in existence. There is a certain period of time that they can be there, and after that, if they're there, they will start a new one. So the Heralds do need to leave for a Desolation to end darkanimereal1 (paraphrased) Oh. So they've got a time limit. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) They do. Otherwise the Desolation will start again. What they discovered is not all of them have to. As long as one remains, the Desolation will not start again. luke.spence (paraphrased) So, by the nine leaving, did that actually break the Oathpact for them? Did it change the cycle of Desolations? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) They have not completely broken the Oathpact, despite what they may think. Words of Radiance Dayton signing (March 19, 2014) Quote Questioner With the Heralds we know that there's only one left... one Herald that's still bound to the Oathpact-- Brandon Sanderson OK, only one Herald was about, was abandoned-- You'll find out the mechanics of that in the next book. Questioner So are we going to see more of Taln... Brandon Sanderson You will see more of-- the Oathpact is not completely broken, the others are still bound to the Oathpact. Questioner Even though they kind of sort of said they were abandoning it? Brandon Sanderson Yes, so there's still connection there, so you'll find out more about all of this and how it works. Salt Lake City ComicCon 2017 (Sept. 23, 2017) Quote ArgentSun Prior to the arrival of the Everstorm, what happened to the Heralds who died? Were they immediately sent back to Braize to wait until the rest arrived and started the Isolation, or could they return to Roshar, similarly to how the Fused can return multiple times? Brandon Sanderson So, the mechanics of this I've been dodgy on on purpose because I know I'm gonna want some wiggle room in the books when I write them. Right now they can't return. They go, they're done. I have to make sure that works with the magic and with the narrative as I write them, so you can take this as one of those Words of Brandon that the books might contradict, but the original outline has, you die, you're there, you can't go back. But there are various incarnations of this where they were holding the Fused back by doing that, from being reborn, if that makes sense. And that's one of the parts that I'm not 100% sure where I'm going to go with, because when I came up with all this stuff, I wasn't working with the realities of the books, where I was writing the Fused, and things like this. And now that I have, this is very natural to be like, alright, let me do a reset, and make sure that the lore and worldbuilding all is consistent now that I've done five books-- I haven't done the fifth one yet, but you know what I mean. It's one of the reasons I have the break in between, is to give myself a chance to go to my outlines and make sure. Originally they were holding back... you could kill Fused and they wouldn't return, because Heralds were holding them back, the Oathpact was. But that meant when the Heralds died, they couldn't return either, and so the war could actually happen. But the Everstorm and things like that have changed that. Anyway, that's the answer until I write it in the books and get you some canon in the flashbacks of the Heralds we will be writing eventually. YouTube Spoiler Stream 4 (June 16, 2022) Hope that helps Edited October 10, 2024 by Treamayne SPAG 3
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