Unkeyed conundrum

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

So I've been thinking over the whole 'Unkeyed' Metalminds thing and how that would relate to Hemalurgy and the creation of 'Unkeyed' spikes, since TLM proved that Identity Contamination stops you from Compounding with Hemalurgically granted powers plus the whole Nicrosil stuff.

Just hear me out: When someone creates an Unkeyed Metalmind that any Ferring with the right power can use, what happens if others store into it? Does the power they store within an Unkeyed Metalmind automatically become blanked? Or does every donor to an Unkeyed Metalmind need to blank their Identity while storing into it to keep all of the power Unkeyed?

I honestly don't know for sure, I'd be glad to know if anyone else has thought of this.

[+Lewis Nethur He/Him]

8 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

So I've been thinking over the whole 'Unkeyed' Metalminds thing and how that would relate to Hemalurgy and the creation of 'Unkeyed' spikes, since TLM proved that Identity Contamination stops you from Compounding with Hemalurgically granted powers plus the whole Nicrosil stuff.

Just hear me out: When someone creates an Unkeyed Metalmind that any Ferring with the right power can use, what happens if others store into it? Does the power they store within an Unkeyed Metalmind automatically become blanked? Or does every donor to an Unkeyed Metalmind need to blank their Identity while storing into it to keep all of the power Unkeyed?

I honestly don't know for sure, I'd be glad to know if anyone else has thought of this.

My understanding of the process is that what we call an unkeyed metalmind is, strictly speaking, simply a completely ordinary metalmind which has been filled with Investiture that is not Identity-keyed. This means that, yes, anyone wishing to refill the metalmind would have to do so in a way that doesn't contaminate it with their Identity, as this would poison the device from being used by anyone else. It's likely that if Wayne had stored into that unkeyed metalmind that he picked up for as little as a few seconds he may have been able to key all its Investiture to himself.

[Quantus he/him]

2 minutes ago, hwiles said:

My understanding of the process is that what we call an unkeyed metalmind is, strictly speaking, simply a completely ordinary metalmind which has been filled with Investiture that is not Identity-keyed. This means that, yes, anyone wishing to refill the metalmind would have to do so in a way that doesn't contaminate it with their Identity, as this would poison the device from being used by anyone else. It's likely that if Wayne had stored into that unkeyed metalmind that he picked up for as little as a few seconds he may have been able to key all its Investiture to himself.

Agreed, though I think the jury is out on whether a 2nd person with functioning Identity would "contaminate" the pre-existing Investiture, or if the difference in Identity would simply force things to just use a separate piece of the metalmind Metal and essentially make a new/distinct metalmind attached to the original, storing the Investiture in a different "sector" of the metalminds rather that corrupting the whole thing (which might even get you into Red corruption effects.)     

[+Lewis Nethur He/Him]

19 minutes ago, Quantus said:

Agreed, though I think the jury is out on whether a 2nd person with functioning Identity would "contaminate" the pre-existing Investiture, or if the difference in Identity would simply force things to just use a separate piece of the metalmind Metal and essentially make a new/distinct metalmind attached to the original, storing the Investiture in a different "sector" of the metalminds rather that corrupting the whole thing (which might even get you into Red corruption effects.)     

Agreed, there's a possibility that the mind would simply partition itself like if multiple people store into a single shared metalmind with no Identity shenanigans. My supposition that all of the Investiture would get rekeyed to whoever stored their Identity in it is simply based on the observation that partitioning appears to be the result of, IE: the natural outcome of, clashes of Identity in containers. My thought is that the Investiture should difuse uniformly throughout the metalmind and, since there is no Identity clashing to force partitioning, there would still only be a single partition and this partition would, by its very nature, be inaccessible to anyone except whoever polluted it. (I'm as confident as I can be that scadrians will eventually figure out how to alter and repair the contents of their minds eventually though, so I wouldn't classify any of them as truly permanently locked or ruined)