another view of hemalurgy

[Alumínio he/him]

What is the difference between allomancy and ferruchemy? One of the investiture is kinetic and the other is static, and if the hemalurgical metals that steal allomantic abilities actually steal kinetic abilities, instead of stealing physical allomancy, steel steals physical kinetic powers.
If we go that way, there are dozens of variations we can do with each spike.

edit:English is not my native language so I won't delve too much into the topic myself, I prefer to keep it concise so you can follow along

Edited August 16, 2024 by Alumínio

[Trusk'our he/him]

1 minute ago, Alumínio said:

What is the difference between allomancy and ferruchemy? One of the investiture is kinetic and the other is static, and if the hemalurgical metals that steal allomantic abilities actually steal kinetic abilities, instead of stealing physical allomancy, steel steals physical kinetic powers.
If we go that way, there are dozens of variations we can do with each spike.

I don't know if that's the difference I'd ascribe to Allomancy and Feruchemy; Feruchemy is kinetic too, but only when storing or tapping.

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Questioner

Nicrosil and chromium, do those have any interaction with people using Feruchemy, or other Investiture in general? Leechers or Nicrobursts.

Brandon Sanderson

Could you use those on Feruchemists? You should be able to, yes.

Questioner

Would that only work while they're tapping it?

Brandon Sanderson

If it's active Investiture, probably yes. You'd probably need it to be kinetic Investiture in order for them to do anything about it.

Now, that doesn't necessarily mean Hemalurgy can't target Kinetic Investiture.

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Questioner

With spikes, would you be able to actually transfer Breaths, when they get to the other planets?

Brandon Sanderson

So spikes rip off pieces of the soul and so Breaths are not going to be part of the soul. You could maybe get a divine Breath but I haven't really decided on regular Breaths, they're kind of stuck there in the Physical Realm which is not a thing that spikes are dealing with. Divine Breath, potentially, because that's something that's actually melding onto your soul. But, you know, when you're using the Breaths they reach through to the Spiritual Realm so, maybe if you got it while the Breaths were kinetic, right, while you're using them, then you might be able to rip them off. I'm not a hundred percent certain on that one.

Bystander

There's still things to decide upon.

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah there's still things, like I have to kind of see. My instinct says no right now. But, you know, how they interact is not something that I have-- Yeah.

So, maybe a nicrosil spike could siphon off an Allomancer's or a Feruchemist's Kinetic Investiture, similar to Harmonium, but my instinct suspects not.

As for other spikes having more uses, like steel taking more than physical Allomancy, I would guess that it can take more kinds if powers from other Invested Arts, but they must use similar Bindpoints on the Spiritweb. 

[Alumínio he/him]

1 minute ago, Trusk'our said:

I don't know if that's the difference I'd ascribe to Allomancy and Feruchemy; Feruchemy is kinetic too, but only when storing or tapping.

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Questioner

Nicrosil and chromium, do those have any interaction with people using Feruchemy, or other Investiture in general? Leechers or Nicrobursts.

Brandon Sanderson

Could you use those on Feruchemists? You should be able to, yes.

Questioner

Would that only work while they're tapping it?

Brandon Sanderson

If it's active Investiture, probably yes. You'd probably need it to be kinetic Investiture in order for them to do anything about it.

Now, that doesn't necessarily mean Hemalurgy can't target Kinetic Investiture.

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Questioner

With spikes, would you be able to actually transfer Breaths, when they get to the other planets?

Brandon Sanderson

So spikes rip off pieces of the soul and so Breaths are not going to be part of the soul. You could maybe get a divine Breath but I haven't really decided on regular Breaths, they're kind of stuck there in the Physical Realm which is not a thing that spikes are dealing with. Divine Breath, potentially, because that's something that's actually melding onto your soul. But, you know, when you're using the Breaths they reach through to the Spiritual Realm so, maybe if you got it while the Breaths were kinetic, right, while you're using them, then you might be able to rip them off. I'm not a hundred percent certain on that one.

Bystander

There's still things to decide upon.

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah there's still things, like I have to kind of see. My instinct says no right now. But, you know, how they interact is not something that I have-- Yeah.

So, maybe a nicrosil spike could siphon off an Allomancer's or a Feruchemist's Kinetic Investiture, similar to Harmonium, but my instinct suspects not.

As for other spikes having more uses, like steel taking more than physical Allomancy, I would guess that it can take more kinds if powers from other Invested Arts, but they must use similar Bindpoints on the Spiritweb. 

how are you? remember that last year we talked about a hemalurgy manual, I swear that when I went back to the forums I looked for your name to see it

and thank you, I thought the feruchemy was only kinetic when touched

[Trusk'our he/him]

7 minutes ago, Alumínio said:

how are you? remember that last year we talked about a hemalurgy manual, I swear that when I went back to the forums I looked for your name to see it

It's all good here 

how about you?

As for The Big Bad Book of Hemalurgy, it got postponed for a while, but I found a searching technique that should make looking for my old posts much, much easier. Still may need to hold off on it, as I have other things that preoccupy my time usually, but I'll work on it eventually. 

11 minutes ago, Alumínio said:

and thank you, I thought the feruchemy was only kinetic when touched

Oh, when it's just sitting in a Metalmind it's static, just like a Hemalurgic spike or an innate Allomantic or Feruchemical power.

Only when actively stored or tapped does this change.