Avatars of Adonalsium

[jaddeth below she/her]

I am not sure how Brandon says avatars are supposed to work in the cosmere, but do you think the Nine Lords could be Ado's avatars on Yolen while he is busy creating other planets? and because of their infighting and messing up things on Yolen, they end up getting Adonalsium shattered because people on Yolen want to be free or get rid of them. especially if Horwatchers are busy kidnapping young girls to appease one of the Lords and others are getting up to no good.

[LewsTherinTelescope]

At the time Prime was written, the Lords like Aronack were going to be the ones killing Adonalsium, the idea of the Vessels being former mortals came later. My guess right now is it could have to do with what Aronack talks to Doruse about:

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“This is what we were commanded to do, Doruse,” Oreon said in the background. “The Father wants you to watch all you love die when you could do so much good. Don’t you ever wonder how he could force you to make such an obviously ridiculous vow? One would almost call the move malicious. Watch the boy squirm. Of course, you’ve been watching those you love die for millennia now, haven’t you, Doruse?”

Perhaps there was something bad coming that Adonalsium was going to allow, and his kids would turn against him over his inaction? Aronack and perhaps Selonis probably take advantage of the situation for power and worship, Ethain seems like he'd want to defend the Sho Del whom he views as his children, Doruse may want to save people after sitting and watching for so long, and who knows about Rafete.

[+Child of Hodor]

On 4/1/2024 at 6:08 PM, LewsTherinTelescope said:

At the time Prime was written, the Lords like Aronack were going to be the ones killing Adonalsium, the idea of the Vessels being former mortals came later. My guess right now is it could have to do with what Aronack talks to Doruse about:

Perhaps there was something bad coming that Adonalsium was going to allow, and his kids would turn against him over his inaction? Aronack and perhaps Selonis probably take advantage of the situation for power and worship, Ethain seems like he'd want to defend the Sho Del whom he views as his children, Doruse may want to save people after sitting and watching for so long, and who knows about Rafete.

I've long thought this is the motivation for the Shattering ... or the stated reason, some just wanted power as Khriss says in Secret History. 

 https://coppermind.net/wiki/Shattering

As for Avatars I wonder if the "gods" that made the different species of humanoids are Avatars. 

Edited May 1, 2024 by Child of Hodor

[Treamayne]

On 4/1/2024 at 10:02 AM, jaddeth below said:

I am not sure how Brandon says avatars are supposed to work in the cosmere, but do you think the Nine Lords could be Ado's avatars on Yolen while he is busy creating other planets? and because of their infighting and messing up things on Yolen, they end up getting Adonalsium shattered because people on Yolen want to be free or get rid of them. especially if Horwatchers are busy kidnapping young girls to appease one of the Lords and others are getting up to no good.

As i read, I thought the "Nine Lords" were all Dragons (in disguise). We have this WoB:

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That kind of answers my follow up question, that was, is his scholarly seclusion typical of dragons, or just something unique to him?

Brandon Sanderson

He's taken a bit of seclusion, but I wouldn't say... There's a whole bunch of different things about dragons. If you've got a Tamu Kek, you can contact them, you can pray to them, and they can actually influence your emotions. They're all kind of like little mini gods. They're not immortal immortal, but they're pretty long lived and functionally immortal. They've been around for a while doing all kinds of stuff, so there's all kinds of things going on with them. Some of them will be secluded. Some of them take their duties very seriously, like Frost takes his duties very very very seriously. Other ones just don't care. You will get some themes with dragons, they do like bargains, they do tend to have their interests, they do tend to collect people and have either followers or corporations or things like that--I don't want to go too cyberpunk on us, but yeah. You'll notice some themes the more you get to know them.

Shardcast Interview (July 30, 2023)

 

 

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Questioner

Do dragons in the cosmere have their own magic system? And if so, what can you tell us about it?

Brandon Sanderson

You'll get some answers to this very soon because you'll be able to read Dragonsteel Prime. (And some of you have read that. We'll be doing this as a Curiosity, like we did Way of Kings Prime). Dragons act in the cosmere as kind of this... the Primary magic system that they use is something akin to soothing and rioting, but they have followers who pray to them and ask for them to help them with their emotions during difficult times, and the dragons are able to do that across any distance. That's kind of the main thing that they're doing, other than that they can transform between a dragon and a person in shape. There's a little bit more to it, but I'll give you those nuggets.

Dragonsteel 2023 (Nov. 21, 2023)

 

 

By the end, I kind of thought the whole plot was like "sibling rivalry through global war" - dragons influenceing people, groups and nations to fight for their "cause," likely due to boredom or a sense of entitlement. 

Edited August 14, 2024 by Treamayne
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