Ishar's Experiments and Yumi

[The Stick]

Today I was rereading Yumi and I noticed something very fascinating when I looked at it from a Hoid-centric perspective.

On page 31 in the physical book, where Hoid was describing Design's form and the noodle shop, I noticed something very interesting. Hoid says "It wasn't an actual body-- we all kind of learned our lesson on that."

This strikes me as an extremely odd thing for Hoid to mention. When he describes it as an illusion soulcasted to give it mass, it sounded like Shallan's illusions in Oathbringer, but that is off topic. Instead, it brought to mind the experiments of Ishar in Stormlight to give spren physical bodies. This makes it seem like whatever Ishar ends up doing in Stormlight 5 won't work too well. I am just curious to see if there are any thoughts on this.

[Treamayne]

22 minutes ago, The Stick said:

On page 31 in the physical book, where Hoid was describing Design's form and the noodle shop, I noticed something very interesting. Hoid says "It wasn't an actual body-- we all kind of learned our lesson on that."

This strikes me as an extremely odd thing for Hoid to mention.

That was certainly my take, and as I recall it was the general concensus in the spoiler period, that Hoid's line there was a reference to Ishar's Experiments

[CtrlAltDepressed]

20 hours ago, Treamayne said:

I recall it was the general concensus in the spoiler period, that Hoid's line there was a reference to Ishar's Experiments

Could you link me to that topic by chance? 

 

I recently read Yumi and this line stood out to me as well. I agree its most likely Ishars experiements, but i feel like there is going to be more to that situation. What i mean is that i dont think that will be the only time Ishar or someone else does this. 

 

What we have right now for that scene seems too small to be mentioned by Hoid some time in the future. 

[The Stick]

Yes, to me, this seems to indicate that Ishar probably won't end up being a Herald if they do try to reform the Oathpact, or he will have some big conflict with Dalinar. I could even see him potentially trying to bring the Stormfather over and killing him, as part of the end of the first arc. This links well with the theory that the Night of Sorrows is an endless Weeping.