Questions regarding the bands of morning

[Useless Soveriegn]

Hey people, long time lurker first time post here

I want to see if I could get some thoughts regarding a theory around the bands of morning.

We know Kel is responsible for creating or at the least assisting in the creation of the bands. So he knows or has access to someone who knows how to either create these bands thru an unknown method possible in a similar manner as the medallions are made though i think probably different as i don't believe we've seen a medallion with Allomancy yet only Ferruchemy though Brandon has said it may be possible to make a medallion with all the powers thought even he was unsure about it.

 

But at the end of Era 2 Kel tells saze that they need more allomancers suggesting he cant just make or get more bands of morning or even medallions with sufficient powers. so why not, if something is made once it can be made again or at last something Similar

I see few options here:

1.

He stole them

Kel partnered with or tricked someone with more knowledge of the metal art/investiture into making them and has lost access/control of this person or perhaps group. This suits Kels general MO and given he's been trying to restore his own powers its make sense he'd looking for someone with this kind of knowledge and he knows at least two groups who could fit the bill. the Ire and Kriss.

Brandon has even said that kel and Khriss have worked together again after meeting for the first time. This leads me to think he sought out Khriss likely to help him regain his power/body or perhaps help the Malwish in their plight post FA. perhaps leading to the bands and the medallions. 

Brandon has stated that Khriss main objective is investigating the beyond followed by getting stormlight which is also a main goal of Kel. Perhaps the two have a some deal regarding the mean to creating allomancers and obtaining stormlight.

Or perhaps Khriss wouldn't give such dangerous knowledge to Kel only creating one set for him which failed to grant him power and which lead to a falling out of some kind

2.

He lacks the resources to do so,

given the state of metal production in era 2 i think its safe to say its not that and with many misting/ferruchemist around its not a lack of such individuals. Also given Kel reach in the cosmere now i doubt its due to a lack of investiture or any other resources.

If he only made one set i can only assume it meant whatever resources he used to make them there was only one of within his reach or the cosmere and the only answer i can think of in this regards is Spook.

Spook is the last mistborn to date and we know Kel has already tempted him with more power suggesting he could gain the other 16 powers and further more we know Spook believes that the old and sick should be used to create Spikes for future use. Perhaps through the use of spikes or/and medallions or even some manipulation of the god metals which Brandon confirmed can grant ferruchemy  could grant spook ferruchemy thus granting him all the powers then distilling his powers into the bands.

 

I feel this pretty weak theory but given that spook is the closest person to having all 32 powers at that end of era 1 and Kels said to him .

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"The Lord Ruler was immortal, you know. By a combination of the powers, he managed to make himself unable to age- unable to die, under most circumstances. You're Mistborn, Spook. Halfway there. Aren't you curious about what else is possible? I mean, we have a little pile of Inquisitor spikes, and nothing to do with them...."

I don't think Spook is the kind of person to actually want immortality or not for every long anyway and his comments about using the old n sicks to gather power to use in the future i can for sure see him giving his powers/soul to create the band so to safe guard the future. I feel like he is defiantly involved with the band likely as a last act.

 

3.

Even Kels not crazy enough to start mass producing an army of lord rulers. Given the last person with this power set dominated the world to an insane amount maybe kel doesn't want anyone else to have this power since he can't use the bands himself. This however suggest that he can only make band that give all the powers and not just a few as to better control those he give it to.

Which seems odd like you can create medallions with multiply ferruchemical powers but not with Allomancy, its all or nothing.

 

 

if anyone can enlighten me on perhaps some lore i missed please do, this questions been rattling in my brain for too long and  i'd be overjoyed to have something concrete pointed out to me

 

otherwise I'd love your opinion on the situation and on my own ideas.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[alder24]

2 hours ago, Useless Soveriegn said:

But at the end of Era 2 Kel tells saze that they need more allomancers suggesting he cant just make or get more bands of morning or even medallions with sufficient powers. so why not, if something is made once it can be made again or at last something Similar

I see few options here:

1. He stole them 

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2. He lacks the resources to do so,

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3. Even Kels not crazy enough to start mass producing an army of lord rulers.

Both option 2. and 3. are most likely to me. Khriss is unlikely to be involved in such a political thing, she is a scientist and doesn't want to be involved like that. To make Bands you need to have someone with the access to all 32 powers, both Feruchemical and Allomantic. You can have 32 Mistings and Ferrings, but 1 Mistborn and 1 Feruchemist will suffice. Spook is a Mistborn so he needed to only find a full Feruchemist - Marsh would be handy, he has many Feruchemical abilities, both others are needed too. Hemalurgy makes making medallions easier, thus I assume it's easier to get all those powers needed in the first place - preserve them from death.

Spook is either dead or nowhere to be found right now, Marsh runs low on Atium, Ghostbloods are working from the shadows, carefully choosing whom to accept into their ranks. Kelsier probably can't afford to recruit 32 metalborns of all powers, many of whom are extremely rare and expect all those people to be loyal to him. Kelsier doesn't work like that. 

He lacks people to make Bands, but also knows that giving every metallic power to random people is a bad idea. Additionally from TLM epilogue 4 it seems that Kelsier himself has never used the Bands - he's desperately longing to be soaring again, he's hoping to find a way to touch metals again - if the Bands were working on him, he would have KNOWN the way to use Allomancy. The Bands seems to be a failed experiment rather than an actual solution to both of his problems.

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Lerasium would have been the easiest way, but it seemed he would have to keep hunting. That gave him hope for himself though. Lerasium wouldn’t have worked on him, and Hemalurgy had proven ineffective on what he’d become. It held his soul and body together, but no more.
There had to be another way. He had hope. Ever, he had hope. Hope he could control the metals again. Hope he would be able to soar again. Hope he’d be able to touch the metals he could see in the world all around him.

 

Spoiler

Oversleep (paraphrased)

I asked whether we could call the Bands of Mourning the Survivor's Spearhead and whether it did have all 16 basic metal metalminds.

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

He hesitated a little but eventually said yes, there were all 16 metalminds.

Oversleep (paraphrased)

I asked whether Marasi tapped all of them, because she would tap Kelsier's Identity and memories.

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

He said intentions are important and she didn't tap all of them.

Warsaw signing (March 18, 2017)

 

Spoiler

Mojonero

Back before the Final Ascension, if you had a full Feruchemist and a Mistborn, both with access and knowledge of all 16 metals, could they make medallions without the use of Hemalurgy?

Brandon Sanderson

If they knew what to do maybe. Much easier with Hemalurgy - but it would be possible.

Dragonsteel Mini-Con 2021 (Nov. 22, 2021)