RichardRahl Posted January 4, 2024 Posted January 4, 2024 (edited) After re-reading stormlight I have a theory how this book will end. -The champion battle: In the agreement between Odium and Dalinar it is aggreed "We each send a willing champion, allowed to meet at the top of Urithiru, otherwise unharmed by either side's forces". We also know That Tarivodium saw a hole in the contract. So do I: What stops the champion just slaughtering everyone in Urithiru? The champion (probably Moash) will start killing and when someone interveens (either Dalinar or Kaladin), they have broken the contract and will loose. This let's Odium have control over Dalinar. So what is his first command? Break your oath with the stormfather. This kills the stormfather, bringing an end to the Highstorms and thus Stormlight on Roshar. -Exodus: Since the uhamns can't live on Roshar now we get a max exodus: First Evidence, Lost metal: Spoiler MeLaan encountered people in shadesmar with strange clothing and red hair . These are the Horneater's leaving through their perpendicularity , Second Evidence: Brandon's reveal read of SL5 at Dragonsteel 2023. -Fate of Dalinar: Since the stormfather dies his part of Honor will be released and Dalinar can obtain it. They have been talking across the last books that Dalinar can do strange things (like opening Honor's perpendicularity). This means Dalinar could already have a splinter of Honor's Power and Collect the rest (or at least more). This will give him (or Rather the shard) enough freedom from the terms, since it's the vessal that agreed to the terms, to open another perpendicularity and send eveyone remeaning in Urithiru into Shadesmar. Edited January 13, 2024 by RichardRahl
Lord Spirit he/him Posted January 4, 2024 Posted January 4, 2024 57 minutes ago, RichardRahl said: After re-reading stormlight I have a theory how this book will end. -The champion battle: In the agreement between Odium and Dalinar it is aggreed "We each send a willing champion, allowed to meet at the top of Urithiru, otherwise unharmed by either side's forces". We also know That Tarivodium saw a hole in the contract. So do I: What stops the champion just slaughtering everyone in Urithiru? The champion (probably Moash) will start killing and when someone interveens (either Dalinar or Kaladin), they have broken the contract and will loose. This let's Odium have control over Dalinar. So what is his first command? Break your oath with the stormfather. This kills the stormfather, bringing an end to the Highstorms and thus Stormlight on Roshar. -Exodus: Since the huamns can't live on Roshar now we get a max exodus: First Evidence, Lost metal: MeLaan encountered people in shadesmar with strange clothing and red hair. These are the Horneater's leaving through their perpendicularity, Second Evidence: Brandon's reveal read of SA5 at Dragonsteel 2023. -Fate of Dalinar: Since the stormfather dies his part of Honor will be released and Dalinar can obtain it. They have been talking across the last books that Dalinar can do strange things (like opening Honor's perpendicularity). This means Dalinar could already have a splinter of Honor's Power and Collect the rest (or at least more). This will give him (or Rather the shard) enough freedom from the terms, since it's the vessel that agreed to the terms, to open another perpendicularity and send eveyone remeaning in Urithiru into Shadesmar. Not to be to discouraging, but... Moash is blind; I don't think he's going to be the champion. Ignoring Dalinar's champion will probably get them killed before they can do much. Running away from the duel probably counts as violating the agreement. Even if Odium wins, he still retreats for 1000 years which would give the humans a chance to prepare. I don't think the stormfather becoming a deadeye would end the storms. they predated the shattering and survived honors death. lastly, I don't think Sanderson would ditch Roshar. He's spent a lot of time building it and it's probably the most complex planet he's made I don't mean this to be disrespectful or offensive, these are just my opinions on your theory. 1
alder24 Posted January 4, 2024 Posted January 4, 2024 1 hour ago, RichardRahl said: -The champion battle: In the agreement between Odium and Dalinar it is aggreed "We each send a willing champion, allowed to meet at the top of Urithiru, otherwise unharmed by either side's forces". We also know That Tarivodium saw a hole in the contract. So do I: What stops the champion just slaughtering everyone in Urithiru? It's not in the spirit of the agreement. The sole purpose of the contest is for the champions to decide which side will win and bring peace no matter the outcome. If one side will start killing on the day of the duel it would be either in violation of the contract, or the attacked side would be able to defend themselves and kill the aggressor without any violation. Odium's champion is meant to fight Honor's champion, not slaughter innocent bystanders. OB ch 122: Quote “Should we write … a contract?” “Our word is the contract. I am not some spren of Honor, who seeks to obey only the strictest letter of a promise. If you have an agreement from me, I will keep it in spirit, not merely in word.” 1 hour ago, RichardRahl said: -Exodus: Since the uhamns can't live on Roshar now we get a max exodus: Why? Roshar without Highstorms is a better place for humans than with them. It's easier to live without a massive hurricane that destroys you periodically. The lack of Stormlight is a problem though, more for life on Roshar in general than for humans. 1 hour ago, RichardRahl said: First Evidence, Lost metal: Spoiler MeLaan encountered people in shadesmar with strange clothing and red hair. These are the Horneater's leaving through their perpendicularity, TLM spoilers aren't allowed here. This is the SA forum only. Please edit your post and put this in the spoilers box. TLM spoilers: Spoiler In TLM we see Horneaters in the land that is in no way similar to Rosharan subastral. I think there was a mention of the Horneater clan that lives in CR and it's more likely that MeLaan met those people, which escaped Roshar for whatever reasons, possibly related to Rock's story in the Horneater novella. 1 hour ago, RichardRahl said: Second Evidence: Brandon's reveal read of SL5 at Dragonsteel 2023. Reading spoilers: Spoiler There is no relation. Iriali are separate, they are on their Long Trail. They are leaving Roshar and nothing there looks like some disaster happened, there is even Stormlight present still. Everything looks fine. Iriali just left, not by their own decision. Spren decided for them. Plus we don't know when this is happening. 1 hour ago, RichardRahl said: -Fate of Dalinar: Since the stormfather dies his part of Honor will be released and Dalinar can obtain it. Breaking the oaths would not kill-kill the Stormfather, it would turn him Deadeye. So nothing will be released. 1 hour ago, RichardRahl said: They have been talking across the last books that Dalinar can do strange things (like opening Honor's perpendicularity). This is a normal Bondsmith power. No bond, no perpendicularity. Spoiler Questioner Dalinar Ascends, right? Like, right then, there. Brandon Sanderson I have RAFO'd that. Whether he is Ascending or not is a RAFO. Questioner Okay, because I know he kind of mentions from that, I don't know how to say his name but the older guy who has the Diagram-- Brandon Sanderson Taravangian, yeah. Whether that deserves to be a capital "A" or not is a matter of argument. It can be disputed. Questioner I guess my main question would just be Dalinar's now able to pull Stormlight and give it to people now. Brandon Sanderson He definitely can. That is a Bondsmith power, so. Questioner That is a Bondsmith power, okay. Brandon Sanderson That is specifically a Bondsmith power. Questioner Because my roommate was saying well, the Stormfather was surprised he could do that or was the Stormfather surprised that he was able to bridge-- Brandon Sanderson He was surprised by what was happening to Dalinar as a whole. Questioner Oh okay, that's what I thought because I was like, because I felt like the Stormlight, that power would be a Bondsmith power. Brandon Sanderson Let's say that the Stormfather and Odium were seeing something in Dalinar that, perhaps, the average person watching even who is knowledgeable about Surges would not completely understand... But he will be able to use that power and Bondsmiths in the past have used that same power. Footnote: Brandon clarified that he might have been unintentionally misleading in his answers to this question during his Stormlight 4 Update 1. Idaho Falls signing (Dec. 29, 2018) 1 hour ago, RichardRahl said: This means Dalinar could already have a splinter of Honor's Power and Collect the rest (or at least more). No. Dalinar is bonded with the Stormfather who holds the biggest piece of Splintered Honor, he's Honor's Cognitive Shadow. That's why there are some weird things happening between them. Dalinar with no bond means Dalinar with no direct access to Honor. OB ch 57: Quote “You have been placed in a difficult position, my son,” Odium said. “You are the first to bond the Stormfather in his current state. Did you know that? You are deeply connected to the remnants of a god.” [...] “So do it. Leave us alone. Go away.” Odium turned to him so sharply that Dalinar jumped. “Is that,” Odium said quietly, “an offer to release me from my bonds, coming from the man holding the remnants of Honor’s name and power?” Spoiler Questioner Does the spren have to be present for a Surgebinder to have their abilities? Because with Dalinar, the Stormfather won’t be around all the time... Brandon Sanderson Good Question! Fortunately, the Stormfather is a little more omnipresent. Normally you’re gonna have to have your spren close, but the Stormfather absorbed... is basically Honor’s Cognitive Shadow, which means he’s got a connection to a lot of different things, so he’s not bound by a lot of the rules that others are. Shadows of Self San Francisco signing (Oct. 9, 2015) 1 hour ago, RichardRahl said: This will give him (or Rather the shard) enough freedom from the terms, since it's the vessal that agreed to the terms, to open another perpendicularity and send eveyone remeaning in Urithiru into Shadesmar. The Sibling can generate their own light, without any need for Stormlight. There is also an Oathgate there. If something were to happen to the Stormfather, Urithiru will be totally fine, able to sustain themselves and the people living there. No need to escape.
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Lord Spirit he/him Posted January 13, 2024 Posted January 13, 2024 4 hours ago, RichardRahl said: Alder24 and Lord spirit: Thaks for your replays and insights! You’re welcome! It’s always interesting to hear others ideas.
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