Odium's_Shard Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Actually, the ability of the Returned to enlarge ones breasts is specifically quoted by Vasher towards the end of Warbreaker. He says Returned are altered by their own perceptions, and so grow more muscular or better 'endowed' simply by being vain. This is the reason for Blushweaver's 'inhuman endowment'. But Endowment must have given them this divine power, and thus, I am thankful for this particular Shard. Hopefully, its counterpart is equally as helpful.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 What, the ability to steal someone else's figure and make it your own? That sounds like it could create a whole mess of problems.
Odium's_Shard Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Subterfuge sounds like a distinctive ability for such a Shard. He shalt forth be known as: Larceny. Endowment v. Larceny. Also, quite a few Shards show this trait, subterfuge. Its more people like Honor and such who are such sticklebacks. Preservation threw in a few obviously sneaky abilities, all about detection, hiding, and confusing. Endowment is the same as Honor, if not worse. Breath cannot be taken? Harsh. However, Larceny is all about taking! Maybe Breath? Counterparts have been known to share 'fuels', if not foci as well.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 However, Larceny probably isn't on the same planet as Endowment. I agree, though, that the fuel would probably be somewhat similar to Breaths, though having more would affect the owner differently.
Odium's_Shard Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Being able to steal more effectively? It might not be unEndowment, it might just be a complement. It could enhance Endowment so to speak. Thats why alot of people people the counterpart would be Cultivation. To Give and to Grow are almost opposite, but then work together. You could Grow, only to Give, or Give, then Grow again. However, to Destroy and the Preserve are direct opposites, and couldn't work in conjunction.
Aeshdan he/him Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 I'm betting that there is a splintered Shard called Deception. One such splinter fuels Brandon's new forgery-based magic, and another fuels Lightweaving. 1
Tulir he/him Posted March 18, 2012 Author Posted March 18, 2012 I don't think Splinter's can fuel magic systems, and it doesn't seem likely that, if Splinter's can feul magic systems, that they would be on different planets. Deception seems like a good thought for Lightweaving, but I think the forgery-based magic system will be a different Shard, and we can't really guess because we don't know very much about it.
ROSHtafARian Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Wait, what's this about a forgery based magic system? Is this something new Brandon talked about somewhere?
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Wait, what's this about a forgery based magic system? Is this something new Brandon talked about somewhere? The forum topic regarding it seems to have dissipated, but it was mentioned that Brandon had an idea for a possible Shardworld where there was a magic system based on forgery. It seemed to have some connection an emperor who put his mark on famous pieces of art and gained some kind of power for them. I believe it was mentioned at Life, the Universe, and Everything.
Aeshdan he/him Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 The forum topic regarding it seems to have dissipated, but it was mentioned that Brandon had an idea for a possible Shardworld where there was a magic system based on forgery. It seemed to have some connection an emperor who put his mark on famous pieces of art and gained some kind of power for them. I believe it was mentioned at Life, the Universe, and Everything. More details have been released. Appearantly, if you carve a peice of stone with a certain rune, you cna trick it into thinking it's a different kind of stone, or it's cracked. But it only works on stones, which sounds like what you'd expect from a Splinter-based magic. Though, it could of course be an NSM.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Though, it could of course be an NSM. I seem to remember the first post said it was a Shardworld. But then again, the post could be wrong or my insane memory could be defective.
ROSHtafARian Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Thanks for the info guys! Very interesting! Now I'm wondering something else though....we know at least one shard (Odium) has traveled to other Shardworlds in the past...but have others maybe as well? There's been a lot of speculation on what kind of magic systems could result from different Shards interacting with each other on different worlds...so if there are only ten core Shardworlds (most likely the worlds where Shards have taken up root or are present during the timeline of cosmere books) maybe the way Brandon's getting around that and having more worlds to play in is having worlds like the one this novella is set on, where perhaps visitations by different shards in various combinations in the past have resulted in lasting magic systems and civilizations?
Voidus Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Could work, although I think that the shards would have to have a hand in creating the humans on the world for there to be a magic system related to them.
Windrunner he/him Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 It kind of depends. If I'm remembering correctly, Aikan Frost, WeiryWriter and I have all, at different times, had the idea that a Shard's presence will slowly mutate the sDNA of the humans of the Shardworld it's on. (I posted this idea back in my Endowment Recently Arrived on Nalthis Theory)There is precedent for this happening, the Aonic people of Arelon were not the original race that could become Elantrians, it took them three or so generations living in the abandoned city to be able to become Elantrians. Presumably their sDNA was mutating. However this is all just a theory, we could be as wrong as anyone else. Also on the subject of Engraving, which is supposed to be the name of that magic system. I think it is almost certainly powered by a Splinter left behind there, which is interacting with the Realmetic of the Shardworld. However it's not a very big part of the Shard, which I believe why Engraving seems weaker, and with more limited applications then we've seen with most other cosmere magic systems, which have all been powered by a full Shard if I'm not mistaken.
Odium's_Shard Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 It seems to have useful connotations in practical, as opposed to bad-chull ninja-style, circumstances, such as with the mining of precious metals, or rupturing the foundations of enemy fortifications by replacing them with something like limestone. It just doesn't seem... cool. Has more scientific uses. But of course eventually science impacts everything, including war, so their might be uses I could think of.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I think that Odium is the most likely Shard to travel to other Shardworlds. He couldn't cooperate to create something like Ruin and Preservation did, and he couldn't look after anything already around like other Shards might have. Basically, his only purpose is to kill other Shards, and eventually destroy everything. The only reason he wouldn't be going around killing other shards constantly is if he didn't have the power to- so he might spend some time building strength. As I mentioned previously, I find it unlikely Odium could create something with its own mind. More likely, his forces are simply an extension of his power. That could explain why the Parshmen act mindless when not under the direct control of Odium.
Aeshdan he/him Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Also on the subject of Engraving, which is supposed to be the name of that magic system. I think it is almost certainly powered by a Splinter left behind there, which is interacting with the Realmetic of the Shardworld. However it's not a very big part of the Shard, which I believe why Engraving seems weaker, and with more limited applications then we've seen with most other cosmere magic systems, which have all been powered by a full Shard if I'm not mistaken. My point exactly! 1
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 If there is a Splinter powering Engraving, is it possible that it's a splinter of a shard we've already seen? If you consider it, it could work with a number of Shards: Endowment- Perhaps when you Engrave something, you make it your own somehow. You are, in a sense, Endowing it with some part of yourself. If it is possible for this process to occur on the same object multiple times, it might also fall under the domain of Cultivation. Dominion- It is also possible that, when you Engrave something, you are gaining control over some power it possess, a control you lose when another person Engraves it. Think Picture of Dorian Gray. This makes sense, seeing as we already know that Dominion was splintered by Odium at some point. Ruin- Another possibility is that act of Engraving permanently transfers some power to the Engraver from the object, with loss occurring. This appeals to me because by carving your own signature into a piece of artwork, you are essentially Ruining it. You could probably make a half-decent case for Odium, too, or maybe even Preservation. These are the ones I think most likely.
Tulir he/him Posted March 20, 2012 Author Posted March 20, 2012 I'm pretty sure that you cannot have a Splinter of a Shard unless it chooses to do so, and Endowment already does that but always takes the Splinter back in, I think we would have learned from Sazed if Ruin had a Splinter, and Dominion is already Splintered, possibly into the Skaze, but I don't think a Splinter can power a magic system by itself, unless it was from an insanely powerful Shard.
Voidus Posted March 20, 2012 Posted March 20, 2012 Aons? Devotion was splintered but the Aons still work, I think that the shard is only necessary to provide the initial alteration to the sDNA of the populace.
Quantum Toast he/him Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 I can see something like Knowledge or Learning being a Shard. I suppose its magic system would be something intricate and study-intensive, like AonDor, but available to anyone who's willing to learn it.
Tulir he/him Posted March 25, 2012 Author Posted March 25, 2012 So maybe with Aons, if you are Devoted enough to them, you can use them better. I believe in Elantris, there was a quote that said all one needed was just to have an intimate relationship with the Aons and to know them to get them to work well.
Chicken Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 I'm fully expecting a Knowledge/Learning/Illumination. It's bound to happen, all sorts of funky twists and magics can happen with omniscience concept. I also wouldn't be surprised if Bavadin is a Fear/Horror/Terror/Insanity/Dementia analogy. That would be worse than destruction but not as terrible as ill intent. Other concept clusters that look somewhat likely: Stasis/Permenancy/Equilibrium/Balance, Imagination/Creativity/Art, Health/Life/Wellbeing/Vitality (which kinda drifts toward Cultivation) and Happiness/Joy/Mirth/Humor. A Shardworld ruled by Art would be awesome. They'd use the power of ROCK!!! Actually no, that'd be terrible. Scratch that. How about the world of Humor where the chief weapon is satire, satire and pun... The two chief weapons! Are satire and pun and pop culture references... But wait, no, that'd also be horrible... There's definitely a reason why I'm not a writer. 1
Chaos he/him Posted March 26, 2012 Posted March 26, 2012 For Engraving, I fully expect that there are magics powered by a Splinter. Splinters can have an intent, so I have no reason not to suspect that this intent can't lead to a magic (with respective interaction with a Shardworld). Since we know there are more than just the core Shardworlds, I'm sure a magic like this exists. However, such magics would be a lot rarer, simply because there's a lot less energy in a Splinter than a Shard. It'd be less likely for a magic user to come into being. As a Shard, Reason, as in logic. This would be so amazing. I'm fully expecting a Knowledge/Learning/Illumination. It's bound to happen, all sorts of funky twists and magics can happen with omniscience concept. I also wouldn't be surprised if Bavadin is a Fear/Horror/Terror/Insanity/Dementia analogy. That would be worse than destruction but not as terrible as ill intent. A Shardworld ruled by Art would be awesome. They'd use the power of ROCK!!! Actually no, that'd be terrible. Scratch that. How about the world of Humor where the chief weapon is satire, satire and pun... The two chief weapons! Are satire and pun and pop culture references... But wait, no, that'd also be horrible... There's definitely a reason why I'm not a writer. Fear or something like that would be a really cool Shard. However, Art isn't really an intent. Plus, Warbreaker already has color and art central to its magic, so I can't expect Brandon retread that again.
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