Triasmus Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 I don't know... he might have been meaning push things away instead of get pushed away, but that is pretty solid evidence.
lil_literalist he/him Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 Finally, some evidence is presented to support that theory! I really can't explain this one away. It appears that when you weigh more, you really do have more force behind your push. However, I'm not convinced that the converse holds true. The other scraps of evidence that we gathered were enough to firmly entrench me in the mass-unrelated side, and I don't think that they can be dismissed as easily as you're trying to. Also, I realized that we can roughly calculate the forces that Wax used when he went up the Ironspine building. But I need to head to bed, so that will have to wait for another day.
ulyssessword he/him Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 I really can't explain this one away. It appears that when you weigh more, you really do have more force behind your push. However, I'm not convinced that the converse holds true. I'm not sure how it's possible to have more force at greater mass without having less force at less mass, unless you are proposing a base-minimum effective mass for an Allomancer's push (eg, effective mass for push force = greater of their mass and 40 kg), but that seems needlessly contrived to me.
Kurkistan he/him Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 (edited) This is just me diving into the conversation in the middle (so...much...math!), but perhaps the reason Wax had such "force" when he increased his weight was simply because he wasn't shot away from the house like a rocket within the first 1/100th of a second of the push. The extra "force" his pushed gained in this case wouldn't be the momentary force of the push, then, but instead its cumulative force over a span of time when he would normally be half-a-city away. Since we know that that strength of a push is inversely exponential as regards to distance, being able to stay in the same place while pushing instead of being shoved away (where the push grows weaker) has to have a significant impact. EDIT: Okay, after a quick re-read of the thread, I see that this is not exactly a unique idea. Sorry for idea-theft/restating the obvious. Edited May 6, 2012 by Kurkistan
Eric Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 I'm not sure how it's possible to have more force at greater mass without having less force at less mass, unless you are proposing a base-minimum effective mass for an Allomancer's push (eg, effective mass for push force = greater of their mass and 40 kg), but that seems needlessly contrived to me. Force may be related to the difference in mass between the Allomancer and the metal. You have a baseline force imparted both ways at equal mass, and the greater the difference, you have greater acceleration on the less massive object and lesser acceleration on the more massive object (which can approach 0 asymptotically, enough so that it is essentially irrelevant). Greater mass difference seems to solve that particular problem, but it could raise others that I'm not educated enough in this area to predict. @Kurkistan: I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that sounds reasonable. I'm told there's something wonky with the physics, but I was mistaken in the intent of the point raised in the first place, so I haven't pursued it.
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