Elwynn Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 So, after perusing several Unmade/yelig-nar threads, as well as the Coppermind Wiki, there seems to be something conspicuously missing from all of it. I know some moderators HATE reviving old topics...so. “Re-Shephir, the Midnight Mother, giving birth to abominations with her essence so dark, so terrible, so consuming. She is here! She watches me die!”“Let me no longer hurt! Let me no longer weep! Dai-gonarthis! The Black Fisher holds my sorrow and consumes it!” “Yelig-nar, called Blightwind, was one that could speak like a man, though often his voice was accompanied by the wails of those he consumed.” So we've known those for a long time. But even the Coppermind Wiki is missing the fourth one. Just thought it should be added. Pg. 671 (hardcover) "He watches!" the boy hissed. "The black piper in the night. He holds us in his palm...playing a tune that no man can hear!" The similarities seem pretty obvious. However there is no mention of consuming...seems the only argument I can come up with against it being an Unmade/ten fools. But the music part...Parshendi anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayonn Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Creepily enough, if you removed the word 'black,' the first person I would think of is... Hoid. As it is, though, I think you're right about it referring to one of the Unmade. Do we know that the Ten Fools are the Unmade? It makes sense--perhaps since no-one actually believes in the Unmade anymore, they have entered folklore as the Ten Fools (which sounds mch less threatening). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeshdan he/him Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Creepily enough, if you removed the word 'black,' the first person I would think of is... Hoid. Doesn't Hoid wear black in WoK? Okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoser he/him Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) That the black piper is an Unmade seems like a strong possibility. If these people are seeing the spiritual realm as they pass into it, I have trouble imagining them seeing Hoid. Hoid seems more like an incredibly capable catalyst who manipulates the cognitive realm than a power of the spiritual realm. But, of course, this wouldn't be the first time I've been led far astray. Odium seems like another possibility for the black piper, but I don't remember any other references to Odium as any sort of musician (makes one think, "Tonight at the Veden Club ... Odium and the Unmade"). When you put it together like this, I find it interesting that the other unmade all have a hyphenated name and a descriptive name. I doubt they are introducing themselves by name. Are the names given to them by the Heralds? made up by the people? provided by the radiants? And what's with the hyphens? Are the names indicating some sort of dual or combined essence? The hyphenation doesn't seem Vorin. What is their linguistic origin? Could that help us figure out where they are from? So many questions ... Onward through the fog! Edited February 2, 2012 by hoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I note that they all have AdjectiveNoun epithets. This format reminds me of the Returned from Warbreaker, but the Heralds have the same format and Vin, Spook, and Elend receive the same general format except all of them have spaces. So it seems to be a pretty common naming scheme for religiously important people in the Cosmere. Also, the hyphens have one syllable on one side and more on the other. I totally assumed the Black Piper was the same as the Black Fisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner he/him Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 The number 10 seems to be a recurring theme in this world. Are the "ten fools" the antithesis of the ten orders of the knights radiant?First Question: Yes, ten is a number of mythological import in the world. The Ten Fools are, essentially, the opposites of the Ten Heralds--who each represented an ideal. (Those ideals were later adopted by the orders of Knights Radiant, so yes, there is a connection--but there's a step between them.) This is the only quote I could find regarding the Ten Fools. I noticed the black piper quote the same as you and just assumed it described one of the Unmade as well. I wonder how this person is seeing this Unmade? Is he looking into the future or seeing the Unmade waiting in Shadesmar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiken Frost he/him Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I think the correct name is "The Black Piper in the Night", not just Black Piper. For no other reason that it is more cthulhian that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2dark he/him Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I read post somewhere that made sense about that quote reffering to the nightwatcher (sorry can't digg it up, I remember it was on SA though). Also I have gone trough quite a few voidbringers= parshmen/parshendi threads, so this is as good place as any to ask a question I didn't notice anyone asking. While on salvage duty Kaladin finds ornamented knife/sword from a dead parshendi. The ornamentations on it are herald glyphs (no refference to page, sorry), and it striked me as a detail than puts the theory that parshendi are evil to rest. If they really are of Odium why would they carve it on their weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dros Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 While on salvage duty Kaladin finds ornamented knife/sword from a dead parshendi. The ornamentations on it are herald glyphs (no refference to page, sorry), and it striked me as a detail than puts the theory that parshendi are evil to rest.If they really are of Odium why would they carve it on their weapons? Trophy of war? I think you'd find legitimate arguments for and against the Parshendi as voidbringers and I imagine Sanderson likes it that way. I tend to think they're not Voidbringers because...well, because they've been around awhile, so where's that void they were supposed to bring? A few quotes about Voidbringers talk about the void and nothingness that follow Voidbringers, etc. Probably best to get into all that on a different thread, though Creepily enough, if you removed the word 'black,' the first person I would think of is... Hoid. I also thought of Hoid when I saw the black piper quote. He's obviously helping the good guys, but so was Joe Abercrombie's Bayaz, First of the Magi and that was quite a twist at the end. If anyone's read Abercrombie's "The Blade Itself" series, you'll know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortaan he/him Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 This is the only quote I could find regarding the Ten Fools. I noticed the black piper quote the same as you and just assumed it described one of the Unmade as well. I wonder how this person is seeing this Unmade? Is he looking into the future or seeing the Unmade waiting in Shadesmar? Wait a second... I've never seen that quote before. Is it possible that the Ten Heralds and the Ten Fools are the same people? After all, the Heralds did abandon the Oathpact, thinking it would still hold... if someone knew about that, it could have entered folklore as the Ten Fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telcontar Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Wait a second... I've never seen that quote before. Is it possible that the Ten Heralds and the Ten Fools are the same people? After all, the Heralds did abandon the Oathpact, thinking it would still hold... if someone knew about that, it could have entered folklore as the Ten Fools. There is a quote from BS where he tells us that the ten fools are sort of the opposites of the Herals. The number 10 seems to be a recurring theme in this world. Are the "ten fools" the antithesis of the ten orders of the knights radiant?Yes, ten is a number of mythological import in the world. The Ten Fools are, essentially, the opposites of the Ten Heralds--who each represented an ideal. (Those ideals were later adopted by the orders of Knights Radiant, so yes, there is a connection--but there's a step between them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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