kaladamSB he/him Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Olver was able to blow the horn because when Mat died, his link to the horn was broken. This never was a problem with me until today. One of Mats prophecies was to die and live again, this being why Olver was able to become the hornsounder. I always assumed that this death happened when he was hung fron the ashandari when he first got it. Today I found out that this isn't the case, and it was actually when Rahvin hit him with the lightning bolt. My question is, since Rand hits Rahvin with the balefire, and Mat comes back to life, shouldn't the balefire have erased Mats death from the pattern causing him to remain the hornsounder? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Bloody Cauthon he/him Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Wow. I still thought it was when he was hung. I never thought about this. Upvote for you. But now that i think about it yes it should have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaladamSB he/him Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 The best answer I found on dragonmount.com was that the horn exists outside of the pattern, so the balefire would not have erased Mat losing his bond to the horn. Kind of flimsy though if you ask me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cstryon he/him Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I was always of the belief that he "died" when he hung from his sword spear. The reason I am not convinced it was any other time was because it felt to me that the snakes told him he would die and live again, and this sounded like an answer as to why he needed to go to Rhuidean. And the Horn being outside of the pattern just sounds like nonsense and too convenient an answer to something that may not have been clear. Mat was brought back to life because of the balefire, meaning his death never happened. Why would the Horn still have seen his being alive/dead as anything if it is outside of the pattern? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaladamSB he/him Posted August 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I was always of the belief that he "died" when he hung from his sword spear. The reason I am not convinced it was any other time was because it felt to me that the snakes told him he would die and live again, and this sounded like an answer as to why he needed to go to Rhuidean. And the Horn being outside of the pattern just sounds like nonsense and too convenient an answer to something that may not have been clear. Mat was brought back to life because of the balefire, meaning his death never happened. Why would the Horn still have seen his being alive/dead as anything if it is outside of the pattern? Exactly, but if you look at q&a with brandon sanderson he says that he didn't die when he was hung. Only came close to dieing. Can you say plot hole? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cstryon he/him Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) Well.... Huh.... Perhaps, since the memory of his death exists, that was enough to count? Like the Horn remembers him dieing? Maybe balefire isn't as understood as we thought? Like the event did happen, but so did the event not happening? Plot holes drive me crazy, I have to fill them! Edited August 20, 2014 by Cstryon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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