Nature of Allomancy

[Odium's_Shard]

We don't know that they even have Feruchemical properties, but to our best knowledge the must have.

[Turos]

I personally disagree with any burning of a metal to accomplish anything other than things Allomantic. My opinion is Feruchemy is restricted to genetics. However the concept of mixing Lerasium and Atium to get the in-between is pretty deep thinking and I give thumbs to that, even if I don't agree.

EDIT: Now this makes me think some more. Since Feruchemy involves keeping contact with a piece of metal, what if you could strap metal to your body and surge a form of energy through the metal and yourself to alter your sDNA. Mad Scientist stuff there!

Edited January 10, 2012 by Turos

[WeiryWriter he/him]

I was talking about what Lerasium alloy would make a regular person into a Seer like Demoux. I've heard the Atium, Lerasium alloy theory before, but I agree with what Zas said in a different thread, that would probably make them into a Feurchemist. In a related note how would Feruchemists, and Ferrings be made at all? If the Lerasium Atium alloy is the answer to the Full Feruchemist question I guess it would mean that any metal alloyed with Leratium could be burned to make a Ferring. (see what I did there? Nice combo word, but it looks a lot like Lerasium if you aren't paying attention. Sazedium might be better) That leaves the same how to make Atium Ferring question though, not to mention Lerasium Ferrings. Maybe an alloy with different proportions?

I think Brandon has said there are more than 16 possible lerasium alloys, so it is possible both ideas are correct. A straight 50/50 lerasium to atium ratio would make "sazedium" which would make feruchemists and a different ratio could make seers.

@Turos I thought it was the consuming of the lerasium/lerasium alloys that gave them the allomantic abilities not burning them. I could be wrong though.

[Odium's_Shard]

You are right in this, Writer. Brandon mentioned that becoming a Mistborn through this method was only a 'side effect' of Lerasium as an Allomantic metal. I am personally considering that perhaps atium alloys make Ferrings, but this can't be true otherwise the Lord Ruler would never allow atium into mainstream distribution, because he wanted to eradicate Keepers (unless he was unaware of this effect).

And, @Turos, technically just consuming Lerasium reschedules your sDNA. Giving you a larger splice of Preservation within you, it gives you access to other outlets of Allomancy (ie, different metals, in the case of Lerasium alloys). It is similar to how Hemalurgy works. You take metal (which is charged by someone else, in this case Preservation) and ingest/stab yourself with it. Your sDNA is then overwritten (which has led people to believe Surgebinder/Mistborn isn't possible using Lerasium) as with Hemalurgy to give to access to those abilities.

So technically, no possibly deadly scientific metal-working is necessary (just a rare piece of God Metal, and which considering the price of atium, a mainstream God Metals, would be extortionate).

[Turos]

So the bead just sits in your stomach? Or does it dissipate? I wonder if you spat it out, if your sDNA would revert.

If it just sits there, think of what would happen when you burn it, if possible.

Edited January 10, 2012 by Turos

[Odium's_Shard]

I believe it is theorized to be absorbed by your body as raw genetic transplantation. Elend doesn't seem to have the bead residual after his transformation.

[Windrunner he/him]

Thanks for the upvote, whoever did that! Elend did indeed burn the lerasium when he ingested it, Brandon said so in an interview.

17th Shard: If a Mistborn burns lerasium, as in, not just ingests it, what effect would it grant Allomantically?

Brandon: That is a RAFO. It would do something, but the thing you've gotta remember is that, when ingesting lerasium for the first time and gaining the powers, your body is actually burning it. Think of lerasium as a metal anyone can burn. Does that make sense?

17th Shard: It does.

Brandon: By burning it you gain access to those powers. It rewrites your spiritual DNA, and there are ways to do really cool things with lerasium that I don't see how anyone would know. Were most Mistborn to just burn it, it would rewrite their genetic code to increase their power as an Allomancer.

So there are some really cool things that lerasium can do, but Elend is definitely burning it. I don't think that atium alloys would make Ferrings, at least not one of the basic 16 alloys. We saw malatium, which was gold and atium, and it didn't make Vin or Kelsier into Ferrings, or at least as far as we know. I'll agree it seems odd to make a Feruchemist by burning a metal, but I figure it would probably still work like lerasium, a metal anyone can burn. I also can't think of any other way to make a Feruchemist, without a Shard directly using its power on someone.

Edited January 10, 2012 by Windrunner

[Turos]

Good catch!

I'll agree it seems odd to make a Feruchemist by burning a metal, but I figure it would probably still work like lerasium, a metal anyone can burn. I also can't think of any other way to make a Feruchemist, without a Shard directly using its power on someone.

Also, it might need to be someone with both Scadrial Shards since Feruchemy is related to both from what I understand. Even though there's a good explanation, it stills seems to me that the outward nature of Feruchemy is more like Preservation and Allomancy is like both Preservation and Ruin. Doesn't stop it from being a friggin' awesome book, however xD

[Odium's_Shard]

Good catch!

Also, it might need to be someone with both Scadrial Shards since Feruchemy is related to both from what I understand. Even though there's a good explanation, it stills seems to me that the outward nature of Feruchemy is more like Preservation and Allomancy is like both Preservation and Ruin. Doesn't stop it from being a friggin' awesome book, however xD

However, as Feruchemy is an End-Neutral molecule (magics, bear with me in this), it must be Pres + Ruin as Ruin is Negative, Allomancy is Positive, so to reach neutral it has to be a dual compound.

[Turos]

However, as Feruchemy is an End-Neutral molecule (magics, bear with me in this), it must be Pres + Ruin as Ruin is Negative, Allomancy is Positive, so to reach neutral it has to be a dual compound.

Ya, I understand the 'physics' behind it. Just seems like the outward nature is not fitting for Allomancy or Feruchemy. I guess my idea is that Preservation is like peaceful. That leads me to compare it with martial arts and monks 'n stuff. This seems more like Feruchemy in nature, while Allomancy seems more destructive and less 'self-edifying'(?) if you know what I mean.

In the end, its just my personal taste and take on the world.

[Pechvarry]

Or is seeing the future the best way to Ruin it?

From what I've gathered around these forums, seeing the future is the only way to ruin it in the cosmere. So that's a pretty ruinous "side effect".