KaladinWorldsinger Posted November 19, 2022 Posted November 19, 2022 I know, I know that there is a wob that says wit was duped. And i think that's true. But I don't think it's as clear cut as to what happened there. If you listen to the actual audio, it's not as confident as the text makes it seem too. Quote https://wob.coppermind.net/events/475/#e14990 Quote Questioner My friends and I have been endlessly debating whether Wit knew what happened to him at the end of Rhythm, when he said "that went exactly as I planned," if he knew he was gonna get duped? Or if he got hornswoggled? Brandon Sanderson He legitimately got hornswoggled. One of the opening chapters of the next book is going to be him realizing that. There's a little teaser for you The theory started when I started thinking, how will hoid even discover the deception so quickly? And what could he possibly even find out? Aren't the memories of the previous conversation destroyed anyway? So let's start the theory: What was the point in meeting with Rayse? Why did wit want this? He goes out of his way to meet Rayse by leaving the tower. He doesn't expect danger, sure, but this was a meeting he had 'planned'. But from his perspective, hoid just insulted Rayse and then left. Nothing of value seemed to have happened. So Why? The clue comes here... Quote That had gone exactly as he’d imagined. Except that last part. He slowed, turning the words over in his mind. Was Rayse growing more thoughtful? Wit didn’t need to worry, did he? After all this, Odium would be safely imprisoned, no matter what happened. There was no way out.… Unless … Wit’s breath caught, but then he forced himself to keep whistling and walking Rayse can't escape Roshar because win or lose the contest, Rayse is trapped on roshar I think Hoid just figured out the 'loophole' in the contract that taravangian was so excited about. And then everything falls in place. What was the point of the meeting? Both times, this is the only important thing he says to odium Quote I know you adjusted the contract, trying for an advantage. How does it feel to know that Dalinar bested you?” Quote Anyway, I know you adjusted the contract, trying for an advantage. How does it feel to know that Dalinar Kholin, a simple mortal, has gotten the better of you?” This is hoid trying to put odium's focus on dalinar. Why? Because hoid doesn't want odium to figure out the 'loophole'. This is the whooole point of the meeting. To invoke 'Rayse's ego and rage, make him more fixated on hoid and dalinar, so that he won't realise that there is a loophole. But in the scene, hoid figures out the loophole during the meeting, so it can't be the reason for the meeting right? This is the dirtiest trick of all Here's a question, why does Taravangian fiddling with hoid's Breaths make him forget the entire meeting? It enables Tara to play out the conversation a second time. The Breaths hold excess memories, but which memories?. I thought it would be the older memories that he has no more space for(too much long term memory), but its clear from the epilogue that it's actually short term memory that he has been storing in there. That is the only way hoid can completely forget the conversation, as Tara only tampered with the breaths and can't tamper with hoid's mind. Hoid probably reviews and deletes unnecessary memories daily. So imagine this, hoid is thinking one day and suddenly gets the idea of the loophole. This idea gets automatically stored in his short term memory breaths. Hoid decides to try and shift odium's focus to Dalinar, hoid and the fight. But he can't interact with 'rayse' while holding this incredibly dangerous idea in investiture, can he? Too risky. Even if Rayse won't attack hoid, maybe he could passively see the information on the breaths? Tara can apparently 'see' his memories but was still a bit hesitant on if he could destroy the breaths. Quote Let me see … I cannot harm you. But here, you have used this other Investiture to store your memories, haven’t you?Because you’ve lived longer than a mortal should, you need to put the excess memories somewhere. I can’t see your mind, but I can see these, can’t I? And then.. Quote I don’t believe this will cause you actual harm … Odium said. Yes, it seems my predecessor’s agreements will allow me to—(destroys breaths) So hoid cuts the idea of the loophole of from his breaths and stores it in something else, like perhaps a coin that he has been playing around with? A coppermind perhaps like many have theorised? There is that weird moment... Quote “Sense, Odium. The only kind I have is nonsense. Well, and some cents…” He glanced down at the coin he still held in his hand, then cocked his head. Did he perhaps notice a bit of investiture where there should be none? Is the loophole in the coin? I mean take a look at this wording here... Quote He hiked to Elhokar’s former sitting room and made himself available—visible, easy to reach. It's repeated twice. So here's how i think it's going to go. Hoid knows the meeting went exactly as 'planned' but he realises he doesn't remember the exact reason why the meeting had to happen. He sees design and she tells him about the corrupted windspren that he doesn't remember and that she felt the presence of odium. He sees his perfect pitch isn't working because some of his breaths are destroyed. Gears start turning and hoid examines what he brought for the meeting and sees the coins he brought along. He gets the idea and is left in horror that 'Rayse' was thoughtful enough to play alongwith the meeting and probably knows the loophole too. So what did hoid know? He knows the loophole, he makes himself forget it to protect it, he follows a general sense of a plan, he tries to trick odium into not focusing on loopholes, he then realises that 'rayse' played along for some reason. At no point does he find out about Tara being odium I know there are some weak parts here and there, but overall I think something similar is definitely going on. Thoughts? 4
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