KoravelliumVsFrost Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 Hi. So I'm wondering if all of Cultivation's machinations to get Taravangian to ascend are primarily motivated by revenge against Rayse, or if it is also part of a longer conflict with Hoid. 1
AerionBFII he/him Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, KoravelliumVsFrost said: Hi. So I'm wondering if all of Cultivation's machinations to get Taravangian to ascend are primarily motivated by revenge against Rayse, or if it is also part of a longer conflict with Hoid. I think Cultivation took out Odium because she sensed a weakness and he was a threat. I mean he was literally trying to annihilate all the shards so that was the primary motivation. There may have been an element of revenge to it for what he did to honor but I think she has held the shard so long her personality has been shaped to that of the Shard now. I think the reason she is offering to help Taravangian learn to use his powers as a shard is to prepare for the war of the gods that is building. I do not think Cultivation sees Hoid as an enemy or as an immediate threat, as for Taravangian I almost got the impression that MR.T would kill Cultivation in order to take up her Shard as soon as he can scheme how to do it. Edited April 7, 2022 by AerionBFII 1
Returned he/him Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, AerionBFII said: I think the reason she is offering to help Taravangian learn to use his powers as a shard is to prepare for the war of the gods that is building. I do not think Cultivation sees Hoid as an enemy or as an immediate threat, as for Taravangian I almost got the impression that MR.T would kill Cultivation in order to take up her Shard as soon as he can scheme how to do it. I think that seems plausible. Do you think that Taravangian's "save them all" comment might have been referring to the Shards, rather than the people of Roshar (and elsewhere)? 1
AerionBFII he/him Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Returned said: I think that seems plausible. Do you think that Taravangian's "save them all" comment might have been referring to the Shards, rather than the people of Roshar (and elsewhere)? I'd read this WOB if I were you (If you haven't already): https://wob.coppermind.net/events/460/#e14622 It's probably got the most detail of what's coming until we are able to read what happens. I think Taravangian becoming Odium will change a lot of things for the Listeners, the War and the Cosmere but Odium will still be the big bad at the end of the day. Taravangian is a 'For the greater good' kinda guy but he is essentially holding the Shard of a God's hatred with none of the other balances (sense of Preservation, Honor etc) it will be constrained by Taravangian but he was never a 'good' guy. He will have a vision of what to do going forward and if anybody disagrees with him... well. Edited April 7, 2022 by AerionBFII 1
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