Enlightened spren

[Stormblessed04]

What abilities would each order of the Knights Radiant gain with an enlightened spren, so what power would each order gain if their spren were to be enlightened?

 

[Stormblessed0421 he/him]

Enlightened as in corrupted by Sja-Anat?

[Honorless he/him]

11 hours ago, Stormblessed04 said:

What abilities would each order of the Knights Radiant gain with an enlightened spren, so what power would each order gain if their spren were to be enlightened?

No idea, we've only seen one Radiant Bond with an Enlightened spren and even there we're not quite clear yet how to classify his abilities

[Honorless he/him]

3 minutes ago, Stormblessed04 said:

Yes, what kind of abilities would each radiant order gain if their spren was "enlightened" or in other terms corrupted by Sja-Anat, cause we think that Renarin's illumination surge creates his visions, and that brought up this question

We see Renarin use Illumination in Rhythm of War

"Renarin claimed the spren was trustworthy, but something was odd about his powers. They had managed to recruit several standard Truthwatchers—and they could create illusions like Shallan. Renarin couldn’t do that. He could only summon lights, and they did strange, unnatural things sometimes.…"

I prefer to think of Renarin's futuresight as a combination of both of his Surges: Illumination of  Progression, he illuminates how things might progress

[Returned]

We don't even really know that Renarin's use of Truthwatcher surges is different from what regular mist spren grant. The only explicit description of the Truthwatcher order is that "their [Truthwatchers'] order being formed entirely of those who never spoke or wrote of what they did" (WoR, chapter 52, epigraph). Though, tantalizingly, in one of the gem drawers in Urithiru a record says "I foresaw this." (Oathbringer, chapter 85, epigraph). It's not clear that this describes a surge-fueled vision of the future versus mundane analysis, or even that the record was left by a Truthwatcher.

But maybe the future sight is still in some way tied to the order without the need for Sja Anat's enlightenment.

Edited April 4, 2022 by Returned

[Truthwatcher Artifabrian he/him]

On 3/31/2022 at 5:23 AM, Honorless said:

I prefer to think of Renarin's futuresight as a combination of both of his Surges: Illumination of  Progression, he illuminates how things might progress

Or Progression of Illumination. How the appearance of things will progress (because all of his visions are visual).

[Stormblessed04]

10 hours ago, Stormblessed0421 said:

Enlightened as in corrupted by Sja-Anat?

Yes, what kind of abilities would each radiant order gain if their spren was "enlightened" or in other terms corrupted by Sja-Anat, cause we think that Renarin's illumination surge creates his visions, and that brought up this question

[Stormblessed04]

1 hour ago, Honorless said:

We see Renarin use Illumination in Rhythm of War

"Renarin claimed the spren was trustworthy, but something was odd about his powers. They had managed to recruit several standard Truthwatchers—and they could create illusions like Shallan. Renarin couldn’t do that. He could only summon lights, and they did strange, unnatural things sometimes.…"

I prefer to think of Renarin's futuresight as a combination of both of his Surges: Illumination of  Progression, he illuminates how things might progress

I understand that, but it also makes me wonder what the other order's surges would be affected, I already know that Adhesion wouldn't be affected because it's purely of Honor, but other surges would be curious to see how they're affected

[Stormblessed04]

Another reason for this question is Renarin's ability to see the future is classified a "voidish" surge, being partially of odium, so it makes me wonder what other surges would do if they were to be "voidish" 

[Stormblessed04]

11 hours ago, Returned said:

We don't even really know that Renarin's use of Truthwatcher surges is different from what regular mist spren grant. The only explicit description of the Truthwatcher order is that "their [Truthwatchers'] order being formed entirely of those who never spoke or wrote of what they did" (WoR, chapter 52, epigraph). Though, tantalizingly, in one of the gem drawers in Urithiru a record says "I foresaw this." (Oathbringer, chapter 85, epigraph). It's not clear that this describes a surge-fueled vision of the future versus mundane analysis, or even that the record was left by a Truthwatcher.

But maybe the future sight is still in some way tied to the order without the need for Sja Anat's enlightenment.

That would be interesting to find out in future installments of the Stormlight Archives