Mraize: How did he go to Yolen?

[Eryr]

So, it had been noted that one of the items in the treasury of Mraize is a branch from Yolen.

This means that either he or somebody else went to Yolen. How? I am aware there is something resembling a perpendicularity on Yolen, but so little people know about it that it makes Mraize traveling to it completely unfeasible. How did he(or someone else) do it?  Just how vast is his knowledge of the Cosmere?

Edited December 21, 2021 by Eryr

[+Oltux72 he/him]

What makes you think that this collection is his and only his as opposed the collective trophy room of the local cell of the Ghostbloods?

[+robardin he/him]

We canonically (especially in-story) know next to nothing about Yolen; aside from unpublished works, which canonicity is subject to change, most or all of what we "know" is from a collection of random WoBs (which are under similar caveats), notes or comments from Khriss as it being an original, pre-Shattering world suitable for a benchmark basis for all Shardworlds that is now "shrouded and hidden somewhere in the cosmere", and a few bits of physical evidence suggesting it's still a reachable (and return-from-able) place post-Shattering:

• Frost's receiving and replying to Hoid's letters (who we know to be a dragon still on Yolen from WoBs)
• The branch displayed in the Ghostblood trophy case
  • Well, it could just be a really, really old artifact, I suppose...
• Mraize being surprised and delighted at his Azish cavalryman's suit being cleaned of aether stains, which is apparently really hard to do
  • He had to go there in person wearing the suit for that, one might imagine, unless aether is now off-Yolen somewhere as well
• Zahel (Vasher) showing Kaladin a trilobite-like fossil in his possession which is implied to come from Yolen

I think that's all?

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

33 minutes ago, robardin said:

We canonically (especially in-story) know next to nothing about Yolen; aside from unpublished works, which canonicity is subject to change, most or all of what we "know" is from a collection of random WoBs (which are under similar caveats), notes or comments from Khriss as it being an original, pre-Shattering world suitable for a benchmark basis for all Shardworlds that is now "shrouded and hidden somewhere in the cosmere", and a few bits of physical evidence suggesting it's still a reachable (and return-from-able) place post-Shattering:

• Frost's receiving and replying to Hoid's letters (who we know to be a dragon still on Yolen from WoBs)
• The branch displayed in the Ghostblood trophy case
  • Well, it could just be a really, really old artifact, I suppose...
• Mraize being surprised and delighted at his Azish cavalryman's suit being cleaned of aether stains, which is apparently really hard to do
  • He had to go there in person wearing the suit for that, one might imagine, unless aether is now off-Yolen somewhere as well
• Zahel (Vasher) showing Kaladin a trilobite-like fossil in his possession which is implied to come from Yolen

I think that's all?

aether is in aether of night now.  as Brandon has said that aether of night is canon now

Edited December 21, 2021 by Thaidakar Lord of Scars

[Eternal Khol he/him]

5 hours ago, robardin said:

He had to go there in person wearing the suit for that, one might imagine, unless aether is now off-Yolen somewhere as well

Brandon has said that the Aethers have spread to multiple planets by now, so its possible.

Also, we dont even know if theyre from Yolen still. Last time they were used there was like 14 years ago in an unpublished work.

 

5 hours ago, Thaidakar Lord of Scars said:

aether is in aether of night now.  as Brandon has said that aether of night is canon now

Souce? did you mean the magic or the book?

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

21 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:

Brandon has said that the Aethers have spread to multiple planets by now, so its possible.

Also, we dont even know if theyre from Yolen still. Last time they were used there was like 14 years ago in an unpublished work.

 

Souce? did you mean the magic or the book?

both, Brandon has said in the state of the Sanderson and streams multiple times that he is going to make aether of night the book.

[Eternal Khol he/him]

18 minutes ago, Thaidakar Lord of Scars said:

both, Brandon has said in the state of the Sanderson and streams multiple times that he is going to make aether of night the book.

Are you talking about the unpublished novel? or the 3 future aether books he has planned?(that are mentioned in State of the Sanderson 2019 and arent Aether of Night)

I just checked the state or the sanderson(this year and last) and there is literally one mention of Aether( and it didnt say the book was canon)

Also,  I know there are a couple WoB where Brandon said that Aether of Night could be canonized pretty easily, but he never actually said he was doing it.

Edited December 21, 2021 by Eternal Khol

[+robardin he/him]

11 minutes ago, Thaidakar Lord of Scars said:

both, Brandon has said in the state of the Sanderson and streams multiple times that he is going to make aether of night the book.

?!

Unless that's very recent, that would directly contradict what he's said before - that while aethers as a magic thing was fully worked out as a Cosmere component, and pretty much the same as described in the unreleased work Aether of Night, pretty much everything else about AoN is on the scrapheap if it hasn't already been raided for other Cosmere works.

He might write different "Aether" books in the future that would become Cosmere canon, and yes aethers as you may have read about in AoN would work the same way, but that is not the same thing at all as saying "Aether of Night is now deemed canon".... If it were, it would be released, no? (At the least, would be publicly downloadable or readable the way Warbreaker is?)

Let's see... The Arcum yields this WoB from recently as Oct 2020 (just over a year ago),

Quote

ItchyDoggg

Does this mean there is no chance of a canon version of Aether of Night ever being published? I really enjoyed it and think a fully polished version would be fantastic.

Brandon Sanderson

It is unlikely, but not impossible. Aether could be made canon with only slight changes--but it doesn't fit into the larger cosmere story any longer, so I don't know of how much interest it would be.

LewsTherinTelescope

To clarify, you're referring to the actual Aether of Night novel, not the future rewritten Aether books that you've mentioned before, right? Or are those not likely anymore either?

Since Aether of Night could be canon with slight changes, I assume the Aethers in the book will be mostly canon as they are, at least in your current outline?

If you were to revise Aether to be canon, would you be replacing Ruin and Preservation with two other Shards, or would you be more likely to just remove Ruin convincing the Twins to imprison Preservation?

Brandon Sanderson

Future Aether books are very likely. And the aethers themselves are going to be very like the ones in the book.

If I did try to make it canon, I'd probably remove the whole Shard plot from the book and instead either use another Shard, or not add a new one, since the Aethers (as I have them now in the notes) function without a Shard's involvement, and even predate the shattering. (Note, that's not yet canon.)

Rhythm of War Preview Q&As (Oct. 8, 2020)

Note that I myself have neither obtained nor read Aether of Night so I don't know what "the Shard plot" refers to, but I'd say if he considers a putative publishing of AoN requiring completely removing something Shardic, and that he's not even decided if aethers would (still) predate the Shattering of Adonalsium, I would say that's very far from saying anything therein is even close to canon except for the magical mechanics.

Maybe you confused LLT's comment in that WoB as being something Brandon said, instead of being the question directed at him? He did kind of beg the question, in the original meaning of "presupposing an expected answer in its phrasing", by leading off with saying that AoN "could be canon with slight changes", which to me it doesn't sound like Brandon himself agrees with at all.

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

15 hours ago, robardin said:

?!

Unless that's very recent, that would directly contradict what he's said before - that while aethers as a magic thing was fully worked out as a Cosmere component, and pretty much the same as described in the unreleased work Aether of Night, pretty much everything else about AoN is on the scrapheap if it hasn't already been raided for other Cosmere works.

He might write different "Aether" books in the future that would become Cosmere canon, and yes aethers as you may have read about in AoN would work the same way, but that is not the same thing at all as saying "Aether of Night is now deemed canon".... If it were, it would be released, no? (At the least, would be publicly downloadable or readable the way Warbreaker is?)

Let's see... The Arcum yields this WoB from recently as Oct 2020 (just over a year ago),

Note that I myself have neither obtained nor read Aether of Night so I don't know what "the Shard plot" refers to, but I'd say if he considers a putative publishing of AoN requiring completely removing something Shardic, and that he's not even decided if aethers would (still) predate the Shattering of Adonalsium, I would say that's very far from saying anything therein is even close to canon except for the magical mechanics.

Maybe you confused LLT's comment in that WoB as being something Brandon said, instead of being the question directed at him? He did kind of beg the question, in the original meaning of "presupposing an expected answer in its phrasing", by leading off with saying that AoN "could be canon with slight changes", which to me it doesn't sound like Brandon himself agrees with at all.

My thing is not about AoN being released, I was meaning to say that Aether is NOT from Yolen, I have read several WoBs about it and honestly he moved Aether away from Yolen over ten years ago I think. Welp I can't find the WoB but whatever. Brand HAS said somewhere I swear by the Lord Ruler that he has, that aether are NOT from Yolen.

 

[Eryr]

7 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

My thing is not about AoN being released, I was meaning to say that Aether is NOT from Yolen, I have read several WoBs about it and honestly he moved Aether away from Yolen over ten years ago I think. Welp I can't find the WoB but whatever. Brand HAS said somewhere I swear by the Lord Ruler that he has, that aether are NOT from Yolen.

 

Gotta say, really interesting but almost none of you tried to answer the question...

[Eryr]

On 12/21/2021 at 10:25 AM, Oltux72 said:

What makes you think that this collection is his and only his as opposed the collective trophy room of the local cell of the Ghostbloods?

This is a possibility I had not thought of before! I still find it unlikely, since people with the knowledge of how to go to Yolen would probably be working on the Thaidakar problem.

Thanks a lot!

[+Oltux72 he/him]

4 hours ago, Eryr said:

This is a possibility I had not thought of before! I still find it unlikely, since people with the knowledge of how to go to Yolen would probably be working on the Thaidakar problem.

The Ghostbloods are to a certain extent merchants. There is the possibility that he simply bought it from some caravaneer. The only offworld stuff the Ghostbloods actively use are the Aethers, which they get onto their pants. And obviously aviars, but none were on display.
And we know there is traffic to and from Yolen, as somebody is delivering Frost's mail. I am afraid that you are taking this room too far and too individualistic. Anything from Yolen may have passed through multiple hands and not necessarily all of them human, nor does it need to be contemporary.