Lightflame Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 In Chapter 16, Jost tells Kaladin and Laral that his father once killed a Shardbearer. The Way of Kings, Page 253:"All right, fine," Jost said. "But we ain't talking of that. We're talking of Shardbearers. You go to war, you can win a Shardblade and become a lighteyes. My fah, see, he should have been given that Shardblade. But the man who was with him, he took it while my fah was knocked out. Told the officer that he'd been the one to kill the Shardbearer, so he got the Blade, and my fah-" Of course, Laral and Kaladin point out that Jost's father fought in the north, where there weren't any Shardbearers. This leads to the fight between Kaladin and Jost. However, what if there really was a Shardbearer in the north, one who happened to be there for some unknown reason? We know from Kaladin that no army ever sent one of their Shardbearers to the north, but I think someone mentions that about a third (or is it two thirds?) of the Shardblades that the people of Roshar had are unaccounted for. Maybe one of the missing Shardblades was used by someone up north? What would a Shardbearer be looking for up north? Perhaps there's something of great importance there, like Urithuru, the Honorblades, or the Ghostblood Hideout. If there is, Jost's father screwed up by killing him. As well, since there was never an official report on the northern Shardblade, the officer was either killed by the man who took the Shardblade, or someone who would hide the existence of the Blade (a Herald?). Also, the man who got the Shardblade would have had to not report getting it, so he probably had a hidden motive. What if he was a member of the Ghostbloods, and he was collecting Shardblades for some reason? It's a lot of thought for a story that probably isn't true, but I think we should all remember Dilaf's wife from Elantris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Uritiru is in the west, closest to Honor, furthest from Highstorms, so it isn't that. But the Ghostblood hideout? Sounds reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straff Venture Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I never knew the difference between the honorblades and dawnshards. Or are they the same? And yeah at the time of reading that passage about Jost's father I thought his dad was obviously lying, but seeing Kaladin managed to win a shardblade with hardly any stormlight that seems a reasonable theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telcontar Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I never knew the difference between the honorblades and dawnshards. Or are they the same? We don't know yet what Dawnshards are. Some believe that they are the Honorblades though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) I swear somewhere in WoK we see a shardpool, described as "too still". Lemme find my copy. EDIT: Nope, that's the Liar of Partinel. Sorry :/ Edited September 15, 2012 by Observer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortaan Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Could be that he ran into whomever Teft learned all his KR lore from. It actually seems like killing someone who just had the Blade and no Plate would be a lot easier too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Ah, but plate vs blade means the plate wins, so it's actually easier long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortaan Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Ah, but plate vs blade means the plate wins, so it's actually easier long term. If you're talking someone with just Plate vs. someone with just a Blade, I imagine Blade wins, actually. The Plate wearer wouldn't have a weapon that can he can defend himself with, so he's almost immediately reduced to trying hand-to-hand. If the Blade wielder is any kind of agile, I can see it going to Blade. However, a bit off topic, so that's all I'll say about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracknut Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 (edited) Plate > Blade Plate guy is stronger, faster, tougher. Blade guy may be more agile but Plate's speed would balance that. Then its just about deflecting Shardblade/knocking it out of bearer's hands and splitting him in half with gauntleted hands. About Honor being in west... Well of Ascension was in north too. Edited September 18, 2012 by 213 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Gotta go with Plate beating Blade, the Blade is much more limited in defence and offensively they're relatively the same, but the longer it drags on the more it favours the Blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Well of Ascension doesn't count, considering the obscurity of everything we know about its old positioning. But still, I suppose it isn't too much of a stretch to call the origin a shardpool. Wonder if the final desolation always comes when somebody picks up Odium's pool and uses it to accidentlly wreck the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 I doubt that would happen in that way: reading the Alcatraz annotations, Brandon states that he hates doing anything that's been done before; it seems likely to me that the final desolation would come in a different manner, mainly because of the way it was done in another book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Point. That doesn't mean that there's no shardpool though. It's likely he'd put one in somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 So, just clarifying (newbie question here), shardpools are like the one in WoA? I'm still a little fuzzy on what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 You are correct. Shardpool is a non-canon term we use to refer to pools like the Well of Ascension, which held power from Preservation. There has been two other (well kind of) Shardpools we've seen in the cosmere books, the Pool in Elantris. It's a commonly held belief that that Shardpool belongs to Devotion. The other one(s) we've seen belonged to Ruin. They are the crystals where atium forms, which Brandon refers to as mini-wells. Also, welcome to 17th Shard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 So, just clarifying (newbie question here), shardpools are like the one in WoA? I'm still a little fuzzy on what they are. Yes. Shards manifest most powerfully in liquid form, so shardpools are the strongest physical aspect of their power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Yes. Shards manifest most powerfully in liquid form, so shardpools are the strongest physical aspect of their power. Thanks for clarifying . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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