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...how would you fill your metalminds? when? where? what would you be doing?

this thought struck me the other day, and i can't get the concept out of my head.

Iron:
I'd probably do a Wax and run around at 3/4 weight most of the time, but I'd also occasionally store all of my weight and float around because, well, that'd just be cool.

Steel:
I live a fairly sedentary lifestyle, so I'd be filling this one a lot. That said, I'd do it more whilst doing something that didn't require any movement at all, like watching TV (or maybe chatting irl or on the phone? Depends if I had to speak slowly too. I know Sazed did that time he was filling ALL of his metalminds at once, but that might have just been because he was filling a zincmind? I'd give it a try anyway.). Being able to read a page faster than I was able to turn it would get frustrating quickly. And don't even talk to me about trying to use a computer during active storage :| haha!

Tin:
Sight tinmind on bright days, or when I had a headache. Scent tinmind if someone farts, or I'm stuck in someone's smelly armpit on crowded public transport. Hearing tinmind if someone was playing obnoxious music, or, once again, if I had a headache. Taste tinmind whilst eating healthy yet gross-tasting foods (or so as to not offend any chef friends/family members, lol!), or whilst kissing a smoker. Touch tinmind if I was in pain, or whilst being tickled (or even if I had a headache, AGAIN. wow feruchemy is basically paracetamol). [EDIT: When I say smoker, I don't mean someone who's burning copper, lol ^v^]

Pewter:
If I was lying around filling a steelmind, I'd definitely be filling a pewtermind too. I could probably read/type with minimal muscles too, so that's a bonus.

Zinc:
The best time I could think of in which to fill a zincmind would be during something like a massage, or relaxing in a spa. I mean, thinking isn't really much needed during those, right?

Brass:
This is kind of a tricky one. My initial thought was to fill brassminds on hot days (often, in Australia - ugh!), but then I started thinking about the things I know about thermodynamics. Heat flows from hot to cold, right? Would filling a brassmind to make yourself cooler just make the heat flow into you more quickly? Would you feel this extra heat energy (and therefor not feel cooler), or would that all flow into the brassmind too? (This is operating on the assumption that brassminds store actual heat, not your ability to feel heat. I mean, bendalloyminds store actual calories, so this isn't too much of a stretch, right? They're both energy! :3 [if my science is really wrong here, PLEASE tell me. I haven't done physics in a while, and I want to be correct.]) But yeah, hot days for sure.

Copper:
Copper is a special case, obviously; I'd just use to to remember things when I needed. That said, if I memorized a textbook, I'd also read it without actively storing memories so I'd have it at least sort of tucked away up in my head, as a failsafe. I mean, what if I lost my copperminds? Ahh! D:

Bronze:
Obviously I'd fill this whilst sleeping. I'd definitely utilize my holidays, though, and sleep for like a week to give it a nice fill.
EDIT:
Windrunner pointed out that I couldn't fill it whenever I slept, because then I'd never get any actual and needed rest. So I guess it's just in the holidays, then!

Gold:
I'd only fill this with access to a LOT of orange juice and hand sanitizer at my disposal. I'd probably stay in my room, too, to make sure I wasn't exposed to more bacteria/viruses than I had to be. This could be another one I'd add to the "fill-whilst-watching-TV" list.

Electrum:
This is a tricky one, too. I'd probably fill it whilst hanging out with my friends, because they make me happy, but not all the time because then all the fun we'd be having would just flow into my electrummind. I'd also just buy like 3 kittens and fill it when cuddling them, because no-one can be depressed when kittens. NO-ONE.

Cadmium:
Another one for the "fill-whilst-watching-TV" list. If I really wanted to boost my intake, I'd use an oxygen tank when filling to either keep my blood at about the same level of oxygenation or to just add more straight into the cadmiummind!

Bendalloy:
Oh man, bendalloyminds would make life a lot easier. I'd splurge like $100-$200 on food on like a Saturday and eat it all and store it, then not eat during the week. What's that? Hungry during a lecture? Whilst driving? Bendalloy has you covered!

Aluminum:
I'm not really sure what happens when one stores their sense of identity, so I can't really discuss this one. I can't even come up with anything that sounds plausible. If you have any ideas or information on this power, let me know!

Duralumin:
This is an interesting one. I'd fill it when I was alone, or during public if I wasn't hanging out with a friend, or even to avoid someone I didn't want to talk to! ~sneaky~

Chromium:
Luck is another tricky thing to store. During active storage, does everything that can go wrong, go wrong? When tapping, does everything that can go well, go well? Is it that black and white, or is it greyer than that? I'm not really sure. Regardless, I'd only fill a chromiummind at home. Absolutely no filling in public, or around other people, ever. EVER!

Nicrosil: EDIT:
The lovely Quantum Toast informed me how investiture storage works. "Going by the RPG, you store investiture by transferring one of your other stores into it (how do nicrosil Ferrings do it?), so I guess I'd just trade in stuff that's as useful to store as to tap, like warmth or weight. Then I'd use it to boost stuff that's difficult to store safely, like health or luck." So obviously my answer has changed. I'd have to agree, here, and say I'd swap in brass stores, iron stores, perhaps some tin stores (a sense i don't need all the time, like touch, or taste), duralumin stores, bendalloy stores (I can always eat more food, I guess), and maybe even copper stores. I could store useless memories and information in a coppermind, store
those
in a nicrosilmind and switch it for something useful. It's like recycling! ;D

wow that's a lot of typing. if you read all this, kudos!

also I apologize for saying how much i love theorizing and then disappearing for a while, i've just been really busy with uni (; 3;)

i want to talk about where/when/what i'd be doing when TAPPING metalminds, but this is probably enough for now.

anyway, where/when/what'd you be doing when filling your metalminds, fellow feruchemists?!

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Zinc: The best time I could think of in which to fill a zincmind would be during something like a massage, or relaxing in a spa. I mean, thinking isn't really much needed during those, right?
I'd fill this one during quiet times at work, I figure storing mental speed would make time seem to pass quicker.
Brass: This is kind of a tricky one. My initial thought was to fill brassminds on hot days (often, in Australia - ugh!), but then I started thinking about the things I know about thermodynamics. Heat flows from hot to cold, right? Would filling a brassmind to make yourself cooler just make the heat flow into you more quickly? Would you feel this extra heat energy (and therefor not feel cooler), or would that all flow into the brassmind too? (This is operating on the assumption that brassminds store actual heat, not your ability to feel heat. I mean, bendalloyminds store actual calories, so this isn't too much of a stretch, right? They're both energy! :3 [if my science is really wrong here, PLEASE tell me. I haven't done physics in a while, and I want to be correct.]) But yeah, hot days for sure.
I'm pretty sure the RPG suggests storing heat while in hot places, so I'd certainly guess you feel colder while doing it.
Bronze: Obviously I'd fill this whilst sleeping. I'd definitely utilize my holidays, though, and sleep for like a week to give it a nice fill.
I have trouble getting to sleep before about 1 AM anyway, so this is an easy one for me.
Electrum: ... I'd also just buy like 3 kittens and fill it when cuddling them, because no-one can be depressed when kittens. NO-ONE.
This is true.
Bendalloy: Oh man, bendalloyminds would make life a lot easier. I'd splurge like $100-$200 on food on like a Saturday and eat it all and store it, then not eat during the week. What's that? Hungry during a lecture? Whilst driving? Bendalloy has you covered!
I kind of wonder whether storing a small amount near-constantly would be a good way to lose weight. Seems like it shouldn't be too dangerous as long as you went slowly enough.
Chromium: Luck is another tricky thing to store. During active storage, does everything that can go wrong, go wrong? When tapping, does everything that can go well, go well? Is it that black and white, or is it greyer than that? I'm not really sure. Regardless, I'd only fill a chromiummind at home. Absolutely no filling in public, or around other people, ever. EVER!
This one, I think I'd only store very slowly, if at all. The "avoid tricky situations" idea should help, but I figure that if you've got bad luck then the tricky situations are going to find you anyway. I think I'd rather just have a small store of luck and use a nicrosilmind to get more out of it.
Nicrosil: Again, this power is a bit of a mystery (at least right now), but I've seen a few good theories on these forums.
Going by the RPG, you store investiture by transferring one of your other stores into it (how do nicrosil Ferrings do it?), so I guess I'd just trade in stuff that's as useful to store as to tap, like warmth or weight. Then I'd use it to boost stuff that's difficult to store safely, like health or luck.
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The thing about storing bronze is that it doesn't work quite that way. Lets say you started storing wakefulness right before bed until morning. All that energy would go into the metalmind, so you'd wake up the next morning feeling like you hadn't slept at all. So you'd need to sleep twice as long, one while storing and one for real rejuvenation. You'd need to do something like the other option you suggested on the weekends or holidays.

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Zinc: I'd fill this one during quiet times at work, I figure storing mental speed would make time seem to pass quicker.

Brass: I'm pretty sure the RPG suggests storing heat while in hot places, so I'd certainly guess you feel colder while doing it.

Bronze: I have trouble getting to sleep before about 1 AM anyway, so this is an easy one for me.

Electrum: This is true.

Bendalloy: I kind of wonder whether storing a small amount near-constantly would be a good way to lose weight. Seems like it shouldn't be too dangerous as long as you went slowly enough.

Chromium: This one, I think I'd only store very slowly, if at all. The "avoid tricky situations" idea should help, but I figure that if you've got bad luck then the tricky situations are going to find you anyway. I think I'd rather just have a small store of luck and use a nicrosilmind to get more out of it.

Nicrosil: Going by the RPG, you store investiture by transferring one of your other stores into it (how do nicrosil Ferrings do it?), so I guess I'd just trade in stuff that's as useful to store as to tap, like warmth or weight. Then I'd use it to boost stuff that's difficult to store safely, like health or luck.

oh my god these are so excellent uwu

maybe you could also fill a zincmind when exercising? you'd (exercise) bike for an hour and it'd feel like 30 minutes... I LIKE IT.

especially the weight loss one! that's a brilliant idea!

i can totally see a lucrative business starting up that'll spike you so you become a Subsumer, all in the name of weight loss. *cue dramatic music*

I really need to get the RPG! Looks like it explains a lot. I had no idea that was how Nicrosilminds worked. HMM......... /adds annotations

The thing about storing bronze is that it doesn't work quite that way. Lets say you started storing wakefulness right before bed until morning. All that energy would go into the metalmind, so you'd wake up the next morning feeling like you hadn't slept at all. So you'd need to sleep twice as long, one while storing and one for real rejuvenation. You'd need to do something like the other option you suggested on the weekends or holidays.

ahh right you are! thank you. /adds annotation

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Chromium: Luck is another tricky thing to store. During active storage, does everything that can go wrong, go wrong? When tapping, does everything that can go well, go well? Is it that black and white, or is it greyer than that? I'm not really sure. Regardless, I'd only fill a chromiummind at home. Absolutely no filling in public, or around other people, ever. EVER!

I don't actually think this is "right." In the RPG book it does say "Whatever can go wrong will go wrong." But then it goes further and says that it cuts you off from fate and the designs of the cosmos. So, rather than having bad luck, I would think that you have -no luck.-

Luck is a funny thing, of course. Some have more than others, whilst some have little to begin with. Does that mean an exceptionally lucky person could store more, safely? (If you go with the "Bad Luck" side of things.)

And if you go with the no-luck concept, then it wouldn't be all that dangerous, you simply would not be where Harmony means for you to be. Unguided by whatever force that leads you around. *Shrug* Just some notions.

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Chromium: Luck is another tricky thing to store. During active storage, does everything that can go wrong, go wrong? When tapping, does everything that can go well, go well? Is it that black and white, or is it greyer than that? I'm not really sure. Regardless, I'd only fill a chromiummind at home. Absolutely no filling in public, or around other people, ever. EVER!

I don't actually think this is "right." In the RPG book it does say "Whatever can go wrong will go wrong." But then it goes further and says that it cuts you off from fate and the designs of the cosmos. So, rather than having bad luck, I would think that you have -no luck.-

Luck is a funny thing, of course. Some have more than others, whilst some have little to begin with. Does that mean an exceptionally lucky person could store more, safely? (If you go with the "Bad Luck" side of things.)

And if you go with the no-luck concept, then it wouldn't be all that dangerous, you simply would not be where Harmony means for you to be. Unguided by whatever force that leads you around. *Shrug* Just some notions.

i quite like this "no luck" concept. i mean, it fits with the rest of feruchemy: a lack of a particular thing now traded for a surplus of that particular thing later. yes, good. thank you!

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i quite like this "no luck" concept. i mean, it fits with the rest of feruchemy: a lack of a particular thing now traded for a surplus of that particular thing later. yes, good. thank you!

Would this not then imply, that whilst storing you'd have no luck, but while tapping you could have an increase in BAD luck as well as good. This doesn't seem to be all that beneficial. It'd be almost like a ta'veren, an increase of all improbabilities, not just the good ones.

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Would this not then imply, that whilst storing you'd have no luck, but while tapping you could have an increase in BAD luck as well as good. This doesn't seem to be all that beneficial. It'd be almost like a ta'veren, an increase of all improbabilities, not just the good ones.

:o ooooooooooooooooooo. interesting.

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I am italian but live in finland. I come to italy during summer, thus getting the worst off the cclimate of both countries. if I could use bronze, i would fill it during the italian summer and use it during the finnish winter, so I would always be comfortable. If I need extra warmth, I could fill it into a sauna. Or, I could just store a lot of heat, and then take a sauna without needing an actual sauna, just by tapping the metalmind hard.

Steel, I never understood if it gives ultra speed superman-style, or just running speed. Or if your mind accelerates enough to let you still see what you are doing. For example, will I be able to write faster, or my brain won't be able to give the commands to my hand fast enough? Anyway, there's plenty of stuff to do with it.

Pewter can be useful for moving furniture, but I won't have much use for it. I think the main use, since tapping it makes your muscles swell too, would be to impress girls by getting a perfect physique without any excercices :)

Copper is the most useful to sazed, but today it won't do anything an electronic data sheet can't do better, so not much use for it. maybe cheat in some test, but I would not like the idea.

Bronze would be very useful to me. I never get enough sleep, so I always feel groggy in the morning. with bronze, I would spend a sunday once in a while sleeping all the time, then every morning I would tap that hour of extra sleep that would make me feel good.

Actually, I already try to do that, sincce i normally sleep 6 hours per night during the week and 10 during rthe weekend, but it don't work as well as it would with feruchemy.

Bendalloy could be my favourite, since I like eating good food and good food tend to make you fat. No more dieting, no more control: just sink my whole salary on ice creams, fill the metalmind while I eat, then melt the metalmind down and start again.

I may want to keep a full one for emergencies maybe.

gold is overall useful, but nothing too fancy there. I may feel them during pauses at work, it's not like there's much to do. keeping some healt stored may be life saving in case of a bad illness or car accident.

Atium, I suppose I could fill it all the time, making me 1-2 years older should not be a problem (actually, I''m still young, I could easily get 30 extra years while doing sedentary stuff and not noticing it, or take 10 extra years all the time except under physical excercices).

I would get a huge cache for my old age at this point. I would be able to do any physical stuff by becoming young for long enough. I may tap a few years all the time to reduce all age-related diseases. And I could get an active sexual life well into my eighties without need for viagra.

EDIT: just thought, I could also fill an atium metalmind to travel for free on public transportation or get reduction on museums and such.

Now I feel evil just for having conceived such an idea...

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Copper is the most useful to sazed, but today it won't do anything an electronic data sheet can't do better, so not much use for it. maybe cheat in some test, but I would not like the idea.

Dude, don't say that! Copper is THE MOST useful metalmind ever! And not only for "serious" stuff but for fun too. Just imagine being able to experience the same excitement you had when you first watched/read/played your favorite movie/book/game, but EVERY TIME you do it!

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Dude, don't say that! Copper is THE MOST useful metalmind ever! And not only for "serious" stuff but for fun too. Just imagine being able to experience the same excitement you had when you first watched/read/played your favorite movie/book/game, but EVERY TIME you do it!

I hadn't thought about it. with copper you can decide to forget about something. That has several good uses

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I hadn't thought about it. with copper you can decide to forget about something. That has several good uses

Agreed. I've wished several times i could just stick some of my memories into random bits of copper and never see them again.

Would this not then imply, that whilst storing you'd have no luck, but while tapping you could have an increase in BAD luck as well as good. This doesn't seem to be all that beneficial. It'd be almost like a ta'veren, an increase of all improbabilities, not just the good ones.

No, that's not how it works. You always store good luck. When filling, you have more bad luck than good, and when tapping, you have more good luck than bad. The MAG supports me on this.

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Steel, I never understood if it gives ultra speed superman-style, or just running speed. Or if your mind accelerates enough to let you still see what you are doing. For example, will I be able to write faster, or my brain won't be able to give the commands to my hand fast enough? Anyway, there's plenty of stuff to do with it.
I kind of doubt it speeds up your mind too, since mental speed has its own metal.
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No, that's not how it works. You always store good luck. When filling, you have more bad luck than good, and when tapping, you have more good luck than bad. The MAG supports me on this.

So when storing luck ... you wouldn't just accidentally stumble, and avoid getting hit by a car, when you're crossing a street and not paying attention (you'd get hit, but it'd be your own fault, not bad luck). And you wouldn't happen to bump into the person you're just looking for, and you wouldn't spot that $100 bill on the ground ...

But you wouldn't be stumbling around everywhere and nearly dying every other minute.

I'd use bendalloy to store energy when binging on chips, ice cream and sweets to avoid gaining weight. A

I'd store warmth while in the sauna/steam room at the swimming pool.

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