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On 2/29/2024 at 5:18 PM, alder24 said:
Not really. We know Urithiru existed during Nohadon's times - and that was mostly likely before the Radiant Orders were even established.
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Pre-Shattering magic in books?
Brandon Sanderson
Let's see. I would count the highstorms as that. Highstorm predates the Shattering. Now, the highstorm has been changed dramatically by certain events, but the highstorm does predate the Shattering.
I am sorry, but that is problematic.
- The Oathgates were operational.
- Operating an Oathgate requires a Shardblade
You see the issue?
Furthermore if Ishar established the orders that must have happened during a Desolation, mustn't it?
Urithiru without the Oathgates makes almost no sense. So what was the sequence of events? If the orders existed in the sixth epoch, the latest time the Knights Radiant could have been founded is in the desolation between the fifth and sixth epoch, isn't it?
15 hours ago, Lego Mistborn said:A moot point, as they were still sentient by the 6th epoch.
Everyone seems to be misunderstanding the question. The answer is a very simple yes, we know that the must be at least that old. I'm not sure that we're really learning anything new though. I also don't know that the sibling must be younger than the stormfather though.
The thing is that this constrains the time Roshar was without Knights Radiant to the first very few epochs.
Do we agree that the Fused must have been equipped with Surgebinding before they returned in the first Desolation that they met the Knights Radiant or they would have been wiped out?
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1 hour ago, alder24 said:
My prediction is simple - the duel won't happen, Taravangian will outsmart Dalinar and force him to break the terms of the Contest. Szeth and Kaladin will bond a little, Kaladin will help with Szeth's mental health, but they will ultimately fail to get Ishar's help. Shallan and Adolin will go after BAM instead of returning to Urithiru.
That would be a reason to reinstate the Oathpact, provided you can disable the Everstorm. Yes, it is not a good idea, but they may run out of options.
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9 hours ago, Master Silver said:
Day 6: Adolin and Shallon arrive back at Urithiru
How? This aspect people keep bringing up was always a mystery to me. It took far longer to get to Lasting Integrity. And then they were fresh and had Stormlight. I do not see how they could possibly return in time.
Nor, frankly, do I see why they would want to. They are in contact with Kalak and have a Seon to report back. Why would Dalinar want them to hurry back? He wants to fight himself. There is no point in cutting himself off an unprecedented source of information just to have his son and a few Radiants back in time for a fight they are precluded from influencing anyway.
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Brandon's video on the Bondsmiths mentioned that three spren grant Bondsmith powers. One of these spren is the Sibling. It is a creation of Honor and Cultivation. So it should be younger than at least the Stormfather. Does this video give us a lower limit on the age of the Sibling and the Nightwatcher?
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On 12/31/2023 at 5:02 AM, The Stick77 said:
To everyone suggesting child champions does it not have to be a willing champion?
It does have to be a willing champion.
We may also look at a piece of foreshadowing. Do you remember the story Hoid tells about the game where one of the participants had only concentrated on not losing as opposed to winning?
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Let's look at what we know
- Edgedancer: Lift feels an urge to move and act when becoming awesome
- Rhythm of War: Lift uses Lifelight
You see the issue? Why does Lift feel the effect of Stormlight while she is using Lifelight?
Voidlight has a different emotional effect. So this is not explainable by her oaths.
My proposal: We are seeing the effect of Cultivantion's Intent, which Stormlight shares because Honor and Cultivation cooperated for Surgebinding. Why is there no influence from Honor? Simple, he is dead.0 -
Are Oathgates an implementation of the Surge of Transportation? If so, how do they work?
And what does this have to do with Rhythm of War?Oathgates exist in the physical and cognitive. We do not know whether you could use an Oathgate to transfer between gates in the cognitive or from a gate in the physical to another gate in the cognitive realm. We have seen them used to
- teleport between gates in the physical realm
- transfer between the same realm in the physical and cognitive realm
Rhythm of War has shown a qualitative difference between these applications. You can transfer dead shard plate between gates, but not into Shadesmar. Why is that? It looks like dead subspren do not transfer to the CR.
However, that makes a difference to the mechanics. It calls into question whether the transfer between gates functions through the CR. Rather, it looks like the surge of Transportation is teleportation and the source and destination happen to sometimes be in different realms.
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8 hours ago, coolsnow7 said:
It’s possible but extremely uninteresting. We didn’t need a Deathrattle for that. If book 5 is just “Odium get Dalinar to lose via a perfectly conventional fight, and then gets him to break the agreement by having him kill a child”, aside from not fitting other pieces (the Deathrattle itself refers to “give us further breath to draw” - who’s “us” if Dalinar is already protected in the agreement?) would just make for an extremely boring book.
If Dalinar breaks the contract he won't be protected any longer. And further breath is quite clear. He knows that the next baby will come. Taravangian is not going to stop after the first. "Us" is the humans of Roshar.
And boring? No, not really. If this contest happens and ends like planned, the Stormlight Archive is over. If there is anything to tell in the second half, something unexpected must happen.
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On 1/12/2024 at 6:25 PM, Lego Mistborn said:
The quote you list here reads more like Thaidakar's "affliction" is immortality and the insanity the comes with it. He didn't seem ·ike the most sane person to begin with, so I imagine he'd want to avoid getting worse.
The Heralds are insane. Asking one of them how to remain sane as an immortal being won't work. They simply don't know. Nor does it explain why they want Kalak specifically. Now, it is possible that they just want somebody to experiment on. But then still you do not need Kalak specifically.
They risked a Seon, their only Lightweaver, who is even in the leadership of the Knights Radiant, and a weapon made from an ultra-rare godmetal on this mission. They want Kalak. Hence they are after something that only Kalak knows.
18 hours ago, alder24 said:They already know what to do to bring Stormlight offworld, and very likely the same can be done to Thaidakar with the same method. However their main goal isn't to free Kelsier from Scadrial, but to move Stormlight out of Roshar. They can't do that because they can't manipulate connections. BAM can do that, that's why they are so interested in her, they want to get her and who's better to question than the man who was there when Mishram was imprisoned? RoW ch 13:
Two things make me wonder about that, although it is quite logical.
First, the Ghostbloods are quite good with Connection. They routinely pick up languages. They can fool AonDor into working on Scadrial. They have duraluminium feruchemists and compounders.
Second, Kalak has been knowing where Ba-Ado-Mishram has been stored for millenia. He did nothing with that knowledge for all that time. Why?
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14 hours ago, Lego Mistborn said:
If he wanted to get off planet, he should just talk to Vasher, who has actually managed, as opposed to the heralds who haven't got any further than Braize and Ashyn, which are supposedly the distance a Rosharan can go anyway.
At the risk of repeating myself, Kelsier went to the fortress of the Ire before he picked up Preservation. In doing so he already felt the pull back to Scadrial.
We can rehash the discussion on which Cognitive Shadows can leave their home systems again, but it is quite likely that there are categories of highly invested individuals, some of whom have no issues with worldhopping, while others do.
On 1/11/2024 at 6:56 PM, alder24 said:We don't know it, it's likely that what you're saying is true. When TLM takes place only Hoid was able to leave Roshar with his Radiant bond intact. So it's possible but you have to do a lot to achieve that.
Matias_Leibo
Are the Coinshots that helped Steris with getting people out of the flood zone, and who seemed rather concerned with whether she was following the law, actually Skybreakers?
Brandon Sanderson
Ah, hehehehehe. So, we'll just leave that one. So, how about this. At this point in continuity, a Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar. In fact, by this point in continuity, I believe (you can't hold me to this one too much) the only Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid. I believe that's the case. Hoid is weird. He also has lots of knowledge. He used a specific method to get... yeah, anyway.
Don't hold me to that, but I think by this point he is the first to get out of system. Off-world doesn't really count because you can go to Braize or Ashyn.
That is so finely formulated
Quoteonly Radiant who's managed to get off of Roshar and maintain powers is Hoid
In other words, breaking the bond works to become a worldhopper. The speculation whome this applies to is obvious.
Quotea Skybreaker could not easily get off of Roshar
Again, nicely formulated. You do not need to get a Skybreaker off Roshar to have somebody bonded to a Highspren outside the Rosharan system. The spren is enough.
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On 1/5/2024 at 10:50 PM, Gingeriffic! said:
Theory time: I wonder if Ba-Ado-Mishram's gemstone has been moved off-planet and somehow the Ghostbloods found out about it happening, hence Thaidakar's obsession with finding her and interrogating Kelek. Given the implication of Shallan being ready to explore other worlds, I wonder if Shallan's mission in Wind and Truth will be a worldhopping adventure to track down Ba-Ado-Mishram before the Ghostbloods can get to her.
I am sorry, but are you proposing that Shallan become a worldhopper in order to find by worldhopping the secret that would allow her to become a worldhooper in the first place?
She would have to break both her bond. Consequences for Pattern and Testament unknown.
On 1/7/2024 at 10:46 AM, MerlinArcane said:Its because Kel is a Sliver of Preservation
No. He felt the pull as he walked out to the Ire's fortress. That was before he held Preservation.
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First of, it was all there from the very start. Shallan got a book that recommended humming to aid in soulcasting. After Rhythm of War it is clear why humming would work.
But that leaves out which frequency you should hum at. Honor's tone or Cultivation's tone? And should you use a rhythm? Do essences have rhythms?
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On 1/9/2024 at 11:11 PM, alder24 said:
Stormlight. It's a Bondsmith power, he's using his Honorblade. Ishar is still pulling from Honor. And yes, it would work on Braize too - Stormlight comes from SR and it's still within the Rosharan system.
That implies that at least 16 kinds of perpendicularity exist. Is there evidence for that? Whose perpendicularity was the one in The Lost Metal ?
6 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:In the highstorm it's from the Spiritual Realm through the Stormfather, so for the perpendicularity it's presumably straight from the Spiritual.
As it comes through the Stormfather it makes sense that it ought to be stormlight. But Ishar is not bound to the Stormfather. What determines the type of light?
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17 minutes ago, Pineap-spider said:
I agree with Voidlit. Jasnah is my least favorite character in any Brandon Sanderson book. While I don't think Jasnah will die, I wouldn't be sad if she did (the whole Jasnah + Hoid is gross.) I do think, despite my dislike of her, Jasnah is a vital and unique character. Jasnah needed an arc, or at least a little character development, before she got her shards. Just saying that she's the best is SO boring.
Alternatively, I think it would be really interesting if Jasnah implements some plan, and they back fire, or she does SOMETHING poorly, and she can go insane, or get depressed, or do something. I really dislike her character, and think she could be better.
Well, freeing the slaves may backfire spectacularly.
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21 minutes ago, alder24 said:
Those are Heraldic Epochs, named after Heralds. I think the first one was after/during the First Singer Desolation, when Fused and Heralds were made.
Absolutely, but this naming was most likely done retroactively. Like before the Second World War the First World War was known as the Great War. You need a second or even third Desolation to make clear that you are living in a cycle of Desolations, don't you? And at that time, how do you do the numbering?
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In Dalinar's vision where he fights Midnight Essence he is married. The episode is supposed to take place in Natanatan. His imaginary wife isn't blue. Why? Does this give us a data for when the admixture of Aimians happened?
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5 hours ago, Treamayne said:
It was implied in the Starfalls vision (WoK Ch 19) that each "epoch" was the span between desolations:
You are raising a question about a detail. Do they name it for the desolation after it or before it? That is had they retroactively named the time before the first desolation thhe first epoch?
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Are they physically cut or do their eyes burn out?
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What kind of Light were spheres filled when Ishar opens a perpendicularity in your vincinity? If, theoretically, he were to do so on Braize, would it change?
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8 hours ago, alder24 said:
No? Dalinar needs Ishar, Ishar is in Shinovar, Szeth is a Shin with a mission to accomplish there, he knows the terrain and Shin culture, he knows people living there. Sending him to Shinovar is an obvious choice. Kaladin is Stormblessed. He almost always wins and recently he's overcome the hardest struggles imaginable. He started to get interested in mental health problems, he is a surgeon and Ishar is mentally in need. Plus he is 4th Ideal. Another obvious choice.
No, he does not need him now. For that to be usable in the contest you have to do the following within 10 days:
- get to Shinovar
- wait for Ishar to arrive
- find him
- cure him
- get back from Shinovar
- have him tell the technique
- Dalinar to master the technique
Sorry, but this is beyond believability.
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Am I the only one to whom sending Szeth and Kaladin to Shinovar looks like Dalinar getting the less mentally stable people out of Urithiru before the contest?
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On 1/7/2024 at 2:19 PM, alder24 said:
Perpendicularity appeared in every major city, we don't know how long they will stay open, it might be just long enough for everyone in the area to reach one. I don't think any Iriali will be left behind because, Cosmere spoilers:
(Tress of the Emerald Sea)
SpoilerI am sorry, but this is, I am afraid, an affair that calls for pedantery. We know none are left. We do not that they left.
In fact a whole people leaving a planet is quite impractical. The Iriali include ancient people, infirm people, mothers about to go into labor bearing twins or even sailors en route to a port in Natanatan who will hear of this proclamation only months after it is made or people in an Azish prison, just to give examples.
With the methods so far described you are going to leave a considerable minority behind, even if you are ready to assume that everybody is willing to heed the call.
(Tress of the Emerald Sea)
SpoilerIf indeed nobody is left behind, we can make two speculations
- there will be a much more robust intervention to pick up the stragglers
- or even, maybe in addition, we may consider the dark option that not heeding the call is lethal
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As far as we know that is what you use Tension for.
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6 hours ago, alder24 said:
Which would most likely end just like every other Desolation. The idea of this contest was to show Odium that this Desolation will be the same as others, that he won't win again, and that will make him willing to risk to agree to the contest. Radiants can't win Desolations for good.
Could you elaborate? It seems to me that this treaty, with some exceptions, turns this into yet another Desolation. It is set to repeat in a thousand years.
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That raises the next question. How did Ishar get the Surgebinders or their Spren to swear oaths? Prestige only? Naked threats?
Technically yes, but not before the sixth epoch. By that logic Nohadon must have been fifth epoch or earlier, right? And as he personally sees the aftermath of a Desolation no later than the early fifth epoch.
And if we take the notion that people discussed where Urithiru was to go, the Knights Radiant already existed, when it was founded. Is a Desolation long enough for that?
That would imply that Odium gave the Fused surgebinding but Honor, still alive and well at that time, did not react. It would seem to me that the sequence of events needs to be the other way round. The Spren learn how to bond humans and Odium is forced to counter that.