Shardcast: Adonalsium's Opposition and Idaho Falls Words of Brandon


This week's episode of Shardcast we discuss the recent (ish) signing in Idaho Falls in late July. We get you up to date with "Adonalsium's opposition" (whatever that means) and somehow that's related to Hoid's immortality. What? We also bring up aluminum too much, and Eric tries not to talk about Dragonsteel. There's other Words of Brandon too at this signing. We make bad analogies, and name someone Mr. Conqueror and another Mr. Sarcastipants. This episode has something for everyone. Including onions!

Our cast today is Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), Grace (gatorgirl), and Evgeni (Argent). This is actually out a week later than we wanted, because of some serious audio issues in our original recording of it. Unfortunately this rerecording is probably not as funny, and has way less Avengers jokes. Oh well.

As always, you can go find these Words of Brandon all on Arcanum (wob.coppermind.net), and send your Who's That Cosmere Characters to [email protected]

 

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Pattern

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(might be you'll say it later, I am still listening - but immediate thought): Aluminum: What if it's Adonalsium's God Metal? Aluminum= Adonalsiumium.

Edit: On second thought I like the theory of the Anti-Adonalsium weapon better.

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What if the Shin believe stone is sacred because they are from floating cities in Ashyn? They wouldn’t be able to walk on stone in floating cities so it makes sense it would be viewed as sacred there. Their xenophobia could mean they still have memories or beliefs from Ashyn. 

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Child of Hodor

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Words of Radiance Epigraphs (Frost Letter to Hoid

Chapter 59 I’ll address this letter to my "old friend," as I have no idea what name you're using currently.

Chapter 60 Have you given up on the gemstone, now that it is dead?

Oathbringer Epigraph Chapter 42: "Cephandrius, bearer of the First Gem,"

 

Could the thing that gave Hoid immortality be the gem whose name he was using as his own in Dragonsteel? Sidenote: could the gem be what he is trying to bring to life again that Frost refers to in The Traveler?

My first reaction when I read that WoB about the weapon not existing in it's current form and being what made Hoid immortal was that the question was too broad. "Magic" guys. They used magic to kill Adonalsium and Hoid is immortal because of magic and magic is different than it was pre-shattering, in other words not in it's original form. 

But, Brandon said it was expended, which is more specific and made me think of the gem. 

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Really small nitpick, could you guys please stop casually dropping Wheel of Time spoilers? I'm half way through the series and have to scramble to fast forward every time. 

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Lots of fun and interesting things in the episode! I'm with @Child of Hodor that the Gem that Hoid wears may be the missing piece alluded to.

Aluminum the "dead metal". Makes me think it was was Adonalsium's God Metal, and now that he's dead and no longer has an insanely infinite amount of Investiture flowing through him it cannot live.

That WoB you read, make me thing Brandon was trying to hint that the weapon was THE Dawnshard (the answer is always Dawnshards, right?) But once combined to be one massive weapon, now shattered into the Dawnshards making them components. Probably wrong, but fun to think. 

Thanks for the weekly fill of Cosmere talk!

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Spacerunner

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I feel like Shards stress passion because they are so passionate about their shard's Intent.  Ruin is very passionate about Ruining things, and Odium is very passionate about being odious. 

When Brandon says some Shards will stress passion and others not, it seems to be an indicator of how much the shard's Intent is influencing them.  The ones corrupted by their Intent are super passionate about enforcing their Intent upon the cosmere.  Ones that don't have this passion still retain their humanity (or dragonity) and aren't blinded by their Intent.

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5 hours ago, TheAlmighty said:

Really small nitpick, could you guys please stop casually dropping Wheel of Time spoilers? I'm half way through the series and have to scramble to fast forward every time. 

Going to have to agree with this statement. I second this motion!

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Ian. I need you to quit dropping the Wheel of Time spoilers in a Cosmere Podcast. Mate, I'm only on the third book!

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Singer

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The podcast that had me using my batman voice: "Kelsier lived long enough to see himself become the villain." Or at least I predict that he will!

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I like the idea that the weapon might have something to do with the gem Hoid carries (which might be the “element” that’s Hoid says is safe)?  I think that’s the connection Brandon is referencing.  

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With all the discussion of Aluminum AND talking about how ruby and sapphire are corundum, how did you miss that corundum is Al2O3? And for that matter, topaz is Al2SiO4(F,OH)2, emerald and heliodor as beryl are Be3Al2(SiO3)6, and at least one form of garnet (almandine) is Fe3Al2Si3O12. So six of the important gems on Roshar include 2 Aluminum atoms...diamond, zircon, smokestone, and amythest don't, but...there's got to be more to that connection. Aluminum is weird and now it shows up in 60% of the gemstones.

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29 minutes ago, Juanaton said:

With all the discussion of Aluminum AND talking about how ruby and sapphire are corundum, how did you miss that corundum is Al2O3? And for that matter, topaz is Al2SiO4(F,OH)2, emerald and heliodor as beryl are Be3Al2(SiO3)6, and at least one form of garnet (almandine) is Fe3Al2Si3O12. So six of the important gems on Roshar include 2 Aluminum atoms...diamond, zircon, smokestone, and amythest don't, but...there's got to be more to that connection. Aluminum is weird and now it shows up in 60% of the gemstones.

Because compounds aren't the same as individual elements :) It's clear that the gemstones don't have the same aluminum properties.

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2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Because compounds aren't the same as individual elements :) It's clear that the gemstones don't have the same aluminum properties.

The alloy vs elemental metal issue on Scadrial makes it obvious that mixtures don’t have the same properties as their component ingredients. That doesn’t COMPLETELY negate the weirdness of aluminum showing up in so much of the important gems. (I mean, yeah, it really does, but whatever. It’s a fun, weird, coincidence.)

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Real interesting podcast guys!! I had a theory that somebody else probably thought of that the Dawnshards are either shards made out of aluminum or perhaps they are Shardblades that the Dawnsingers were given from their bond with either their spren or Roshar. They are just called Dawnshards instead of Shardblades because they are the Dawnsingers. This is probably unlikely. Honor makes a big deal about the Dawnshards so I'm  led to believe they are bombastic in nature. As far as the Shin, they are weird when thinking of Rosharan cultures and wildlife as a whole. We don't know enough about their culture. However, I wonder how long Ashyn had been unihabitable on the surface and how long they had floating cities before they started to abandon the planet. Perhaps the Shin have lost much as to how their home planet was destroyed, but they remembered either the floating cities, presumably made of rock or maybe the rock on the surface of the planet had rock on it and they couldn't walk on it because it was destroyed by Surgebinding, so the Shin passed on the table that stone is sacred, don't walk on it. I wouldn't be surprised if aluminum was Adonalsium's god metal and is now inert or perhaps aluminum's function is exactly what it is now. I wonder if you could create an Aluminum cage to trap the Fused's gemhearts and that would prevent them from returning. Of course you need to find a cache of aluminum. Hoid as always is weird and is even more confusing than when you started out. What is the first gem? I dunno. I haven't read Dragonsteel prime, but it sounds like it doesn't answer questions. However, that won't stop me from reading it. As always thanks guys for your hard work and entertainment!!!

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I'm sad that my Who's That Cosmere Character is now lost to time... I'll have to come up with another. Glad it stumped you guys, though!

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