Argent Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Turns out Isaac is a little busy with a deadline right now, so he'll get back to me sometime after mid-next week. It's either that or I terrified him with the list of questions I sent him, and he needs time to recuperate. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARITA Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 the symbol for Taldain makes me think of the underground water system ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Hey, @Argent, did you ever hear back from Isaac? He tweeted that he turned in his 'last project of the year' on the 30th, so it might be a good time for some follow-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: Hey, @Argent, did you ever hear back from Isaac? He tweeted that he turned in his 'last project of the year' on the 30th, so it might be a good time for some follow-up. I pinged him on Dec 19, which was only a few days after the ETA he gave me. I wanted to give him more time before I pinged him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkJester Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Seriously people... Your overlooking the obvious answer for Taldain's tree. Who is the most famous world hopper? Stick! Taldain is obviously the home system of Stick. Stick is so self aware, that he has become a model, not only to his home planet, but his whole system. His system has taken the form of a Stick in honor of Stick itself. Stick has become a world hopper in an attempt to spread the truth of stickness. He keeps reaching out to locals as he world hops, but it hasn't taken hold yet. He's been forced to fix the Dor thanks to Raodin. He has tried to get Vivenna to become self aware, but she was too busy trying to force her will onto other objects. After all, a rope is a rope... Shallan at least listened to what he had to say, though she seemed rather put off by Sticks ideology. Fear not though. His home system has seen the light, and followed Sticks example, and so too will the rest of the Cosmier. I believe Stick said it best when he said, "I am a stick." Man, that brings tears to my eyes... Edited January 4, 2017 by DarkJester 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herald Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) On 12/8/2016 at 4:21 AM, HoidvsVoid said: First, what is the most likely difference between the colored planets? (Is there a specific reason other than color?) I'm not sure if the 'red' color in the scar is based on magic (Brandon said that corrupted investiture is red like we have already seen in some cases) or based on science (The color of a star comes from the temperature of its surface. The hottest stars are blue, cooler stars are white and yellow, and the coolest stars of all are red). As a side note, what do you guys think about only some star systems having asteroid belt, dwarf planet and comet belt (or some combination thereof)? Edited January 5, 2017 by Herald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Argent Posted February 25, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Alright, the illustrious Isaac Steward finally got back to me! Busy man, that guy is. I've formatted both my email and his reply in a Q&A kind of form we are mostly familiar with from the various event transcriptions. Also, a link to the map, for easy reference. Quote Q: What perspective is this constellation map seen/drawn from? Somebody from an earlier signing in this tour said they spoke with you about this, and you mentioned Silverlight, but not exactly... I got the impression that your reply wasn't transcribed verbatim Can you address the perspective issue here? We now know that Silverlight is in the Cognitive Realm (where the stars don't necessarily match their physical arrangement, if they are visible at all), so if you worried about accidentally revealing that earlier, it's no longer an issue. A: The map was created to reside in Silverlight and represents a partial view of the night sky from a point we have not yet revealed. So, no, this is not a view of the night sky from Silverlight. This is a mural painted for a patron whose travels have taken them far far afield. Quote Q: Do the constellations have actual names you can share with us? A: Clockwise from Threnody: the Mourner, the Dragon, the Fisherman, the Giver, the Lamp, the Knight, and the One Tree. The names are a bit generic, mostly because they are working names I used to refer to the different constellations during the process of painting the piece. It should be noted that the people from the spot in the Cosmere where the night sky does look like this would not see these pictures in the constellations nor give them these names. The pictures the patron saw in the stars here are based on their own observations and knowledge about the Cosmere as a whole. The locals would see entirely different pictures in their stars, for those who can even see the stars from their vantage. One tidbit I should mention is that the lamp used to be a constellation called the Lover and was a man receiving breath from the Giver. I dropped it mostly because it's reference to Devotion wasn't working visually. Another thing to note: Not all the stars on this chart are physically within the Cosmere. Some are in the parts of Space beyond the Cosmere. Quote Q: Are all the constellations symbolic in nature? If so, can you fill in any gaps in my understanding of them (or expand on them, point out cool things I may have missed, etc)? I've got: Roshar - Shardbearer (or maybe Herald). Pretty obvious, considering how dominant those are. Nalthis - someone exhaling or giving Breath. Again, straightforward. Threnody - a grieving woman? Because Threnody, like the other inner planets in the Threnodite system, all bear names related to grieving, mourning, that kind of stuff. A: All correct so far. Q: Taldain - a tree? Because of the importance of water on the world? A: A one tree. This is a symbolic reference to the Shard that resides on that world. The Coppermind says this: "Khriss writes that Bavadin supports a policy of strict isolationism for Taldain." Q: First of the Sun - a sailor? Because of how the natives live, traveling between the isles? A: A fisherman, actually. He's throwing his net out among the stars. [The next bit makes a little bit more sense in the context of something he sent me in a previous email: Sel's constellation is symbolic (as is the constellation Threnody is found in). As for the lamp, notice that Sel is not exactly part of the lamp. It's part of the flame. How does Aon Dor work? An Elantrian creates an opening for it to pour through and effect the world. Think of the flame as a symbol for the Dor. Does that make sense?] Q: Sel - the lamp makes a lot more sense now, thanks! I don't think anyone had pointed out that Sel is inside the flame, not the lamp - but the lamp is so much dominant in the image, it was easy to focus on it A: Just repeating what I mentioned before in case I ever make this into a blog post. Sel's constellation is symbolic (as is the constellation Threnody is found in). As for the lamp, notice that Sel is not exactly part of the lamp. It's part of the flame. How does Aon Dor work? An Elantrian creates an opening for it to pour through and affect the world. Think of the flame as a symbol for the Dor. Does that make sense? Q: Scadrial - why is it absent? And is it really absent, or there but just not labeled (for whatever reason)? A: Scadrial's there. It's just part of the constellation I've been calling the Giver. Some worlds are closer together than others, so there wasn't room to give each world its own constellation.[How in damnation had I not noticed Scadrial there?! Let's all pretend I was thinking about why Scadrial didn't have its own constellation instead...] Quote Q: Is the relative positioning of the constellations' images significant in any way? For example, the Shardbearer is pointing his blade at the dragon/serpent/monster of the Scar, while Nalthian lady looks like she is blowing Sel's fire out. Do we need to be paying attention to those? A: This is more compositional than anything else. Though I wouldn't discount their positions entirely. Quote Q: Some stars are yellow, while others are red - is that significant? A: Yes. There are other colors in there too. Quote Q: Speaking of The Scar, all the other names on the map refer to a specific planet, right? Roshar, Sel, Nalthis, etc. The scar, as far as know, is more a region, yet it uses the same typography as the planets. What's up with that? A: Same typography because when I used other fonts, it looked way out of place. If there were more labels on this map, I would've used italics probably for this feature. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 Good to finally have these clarifications. Modern constellations, based on what's happening in those worlds, but not the constellations that the inhabitants of the PoV-planet identify. I think the frontrunner is definitely Yolen, again; it can't be any of the planets shown (obviously), and it's not from Silverlight, so the only other planet we know of is Yolen. Isaac notes that there are colors other than red and yellow. Just to note, Roshar, First of the Sun, and Taldain are all bluish-white. Doesn't seem to be any mystery there; these are the actual colors of these stars. It might all be a natural red. Or there might be something supernatural behind it. I thought I was on to something about when the map was created, by noticing that Scadrial was in Nalthis's constellation. I thought it wasn't inhabited yet, when the map was drawn. It looks like it's just a spatial arrangement issue; Nalthis and Scadrial are too close together, let's go with Nalthis for the symbolism. Not sure I understand the symbolism behind the tree for Bavadin... trees are usually in forests or jungles, where they're surrounded by lots of other trees. Is this supposed to be, like, a desert tree that's chilling on its own in the middle of nowhere? More of a Lonely Tree? Lastly, Isaac mentions that some of these stars are extracosmeric. (Is it okay if I just make up a new term like that?) I wonder if he's referring to random other stars in the background or in constellations, or if he's referring to part or all of The Scar? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted February 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Pagerunner said: Isaac notes that there are colors other than red and yellow. Just to note, Roshar, First of the Sun, and Taldain are all bluish-white. Doesn't seem to be any mystery there; these are the actual colors of these stars. It might all be a natural red. Or there might be something supernatural behind it. Yeah, I should've known better than to leave a member of Team Sanderson easy out like that. Then again, who knows? Maybe Isaac is not as shifty 2 hours ago, Pagerunner said: Not sure I understand the symbolism behind the tree for Bavadin... trees are usually in forests or jungles, where they're surrounded by lots of other trees. Is this supposed to be, like, a desert tree that's chilling on its own in the middle of nowhere? More of a Lonely Tree? That's kind of my interpretation. An isolated tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) It's interesting to note that Threnody (home to "the Evil") is the same general shade as the stars in the Scar. Also, looking at SFSitFoH, it appears that the Scar is referred to as the "starbelt" there, and is helpful for navigation. This paints something of a contrast to the negative image 'Scar' promotes. I'm not sure what the ultimate conclusion of this should be, but I felt it worth noting. Edit: I just noticed this was mentioned earlier. Whoops. Sorry, all Edited March 2, 2017 by Bugsy6912 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyring Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Alot of stars we know to have shards got "radiance lines" Dont seem to fit 100% but close, and didnt ambition die on one of the stars that lack shard but got those lines? Might be something simular on the other. Or maybe just mean there is alot of investiture, or perhaps mean that there is an active perpendiculary? (Do we know if there is one on Threnody?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Honestly, I think the color and light representation of the stars is just based on the stars' luminosity... =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyring Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Argent said: Honestly, I think the color and light representation of the stars is just based on the stars' luminosity... =\ Maybe, but size would seem to indicate that. wierd to use several different ways to convey the same thing. Way more boring from a forum pov too *edit One wonders where this is supposed to be seen from. Almost haveto be from Yolen? Or from Silverlight? Haveto be an origin point that sees theese constelations when looking on the sky? Edited March 9, 2017 by dyring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Perspective is not from Silverlight. My - and many others' - money is on Yolen, but that doesn't have to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argent said: Perspective is not from Silverlight. My - and many others' - money is on Yolen, but that doesn't have to be the case. Just a correction on this (unless you've seen something more recent - but this is from the most recent signing) Quote Q: But who’s looking at these constellations? A: So it is from a specific perspective, that Isaac will someday reveal. He drew this at my request; this is from a frame of reference. But we haven’t told you what it is. The best guess is that it’s Silverlight. I haven’t confirmed it, but it is the best guess. The second best guess is Yolen. There are a couple things that people have guessed, but I haven’t confirmed which it is. So the perspective could be from Silverlight and is a 'better' guess than Yolen. His wording makes me think it's neither but then he is tricksy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 Um. Isaac's response? From a few replies earlier? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argent said: Um. Isaac's response? From a few replies earlier? Oh I am sorry @Argent, when you posted those I didn't notice the explicit confirmation that it is not from Silverlight and in doing the post I just did I failed to look again. My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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