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  1. Yeah, Butcher has been teasing "Brief Cases" for a few years (to reprint the short stories printed since Side Jobs made the first collection after "Changes")
  2. I recently re-read Dresden Files, including all Short Stories, Graphic Novels and Novels in chronological order (if somebody needs a list, let me know) and it got me thinking... Could I do the same with Mistborn? Granted, it's not all discrete stories that can "neatly fit btwn novels X and Y," but it seemed possible. So this last week I set out to do just that. Has anybody else tried to do similar? I started with Eleventh Metal (Obviously), then moved on to Mistborn: The Final Empire (TFE) until Kelsier dies. I then attempted to "integrate" the chapters of Mistborn Secret History (MSH) where they take place while reading the rest of the first trilogy. Below is my attempt at codifying at which point in the trilogy I read each chapter/section of MSH. Though, in many spots the MSH chapters would need to be parsed out into scenes to be truly integrated. Thoughts, Ideas, Concerns? PS: Now starting Allow of Law for the remainder of my most-recent Mistborn read through
  3. Actually, Stormfather all but tells him they are heralds: Dalinar's assumption, in my mind, is that the two people pointed out by Stormfather would be different orders than the seven knights he already counted. As far as Shalash being (or becoming) a Dustbringer, I'm not yet convinced. It requires the same assumption that Dalinar makes - that all ten orders were represented at the Battle of Thaylenah. Also, the argument of flashback characters, in my opinion, is moot. We learn about Radiant orders and their surges in the "present," not in the flashbacks. There is no reason that Ash's flashback book would mean she is also the Dustbringer in the book (assuming that will be the "Dustbringer" book).
  4. But Kaladin re-oathed on-screen, not off-screen: I believe you don't necessarily have to verbalize them to re-oath, you just have to rededicate yourself to the oaths you have sworn. In recalling them and realizing why they mattered to his decision and making the decision that aligns with the oaths he met the requirements to make the third oath. As for Shallan, it would likely be different. The "truths" of her childhood would not necessarily be the truths for her now. She had to have been at least 3rd ideal to kill her mother so her mother's death could not have been a "truth" that won her the third ideal as a child. Having lost all the ideals except the first because of the trauma of killing her parents, she had to recognize new truths about herself to reclaim the ideals.
  5. The linked examples. In the first case, it's almost a direct quote: As far as pronunciation indicators, I think we are reading the same section very differently. Having studied Chinese, Korean and Japanese (and having lived in Korea and Japan), I read this: As "Sas" being in common with his own brand, but "Morom" would have to have a pronunciation indicator. At least, it makes no sense to me that a surgeon's apprentice with an incomplete indication would have all of the highlord district glyphpair's memorized. It seemed more likely that he knows it is a highlord glyphpair due to context, he kno's "Sas" because it is in common with his own brand, and he can guess "morom" due to indicators.
  6. This still seems slightly off when compared to the Bridge Four tattoo scene: That scene, when combined with the image between chapters 4 and 5, always seemed to me that since Kaladin learned to read glyphs during his surgeon's apprenticeship that he was able to make the tattoo because there is readable content. This makes me wonder if the "internals" of a glyph are like radicals in Chinese. For example: Dragon (long form and Short form) 龍 -> 龙 And, evolved over time: So, I wonder if it is possible that elements of the internals are what are recognizable and indicate pronunciation and/or meaning. There has to be some standardization if Sigzil could take notes with glyph numbers and Kaladin could stylize Freedom, Kholin, 1173, etc. based off of what his parents taught him. Actually, thinking about it, there seems to be disconnects with other examples of books being read. So, they are memorized more than read; but there seem to be components to "look for" that can indicate meaning or pronunciation. At least that's what I get out of all of this.
  7. Awesome post, thank you for sharing that. If he meant related in the standard lingual anthropological sense, then it will be Grammatically related. Many related language families will share an alphabet (Spanish/French/Itailian, Farsi/Pashtu/Dari, etc) but many will also not (Hindi and Urdu, when spoken are called Hindustani and are nearly identical, but use completely different alphabets; Korean and Japanese are related and grammatically similar, but also have very different alphabets and even use their Chinese character loan words differently). What really ties a language family together is the grammar structure. For example, there has been a lot of vocabulary exchange between Chinese and Korean/Japanese; but they aren't consider related as the grammar of Chinese is completely different (despite all three langauge writing with the same/similar logographs, if not exclusively, and sharing related vocabulary). Here is an Ethnologue Hebrew Language tree example to show how related languages can be mapped backwards to common ancestors.
  8. That's possible. While I agree the Alethi Glyphs are probably phonetically derived, I think it is more likely that the glyphs and Thaylen alphabet have a common ancestor (I'll call Dawn Script for now, based on the Dawnchant even though the books seem to use Dawnchant for both spoken and written). So, if Dawn Script was an alphabetic system (Abjad, Abugida or even possibly a Syllabary) then it could feasibly evolve in different areas into the phonetic glyph system(s) (Alethi and Veden if they are different) and the Thaylen Abjad and possibly other writing systems.
  9. It really depends on how much was borrowed from both real languages. So far, it seems that at one point Alethi glyphs did grow from an alphabet of some kind, where Chinese never had an alphabet at all. In the attached examples, you can see how the grassroot character for "Day" started as a graphical representation of the Sun (circle with a dot) and evolved over time to the modern version. In the second example, I show how the character for "Fire" is also a radical (principal component of a character, many Chinese/Hanja/Kanji dictionaries use Radicals for how you look up characters and words) and that radical is used in building related words. So, in Chinese, if you know the radicals you can sometimes guess, if not the meaning, then at least a relation to a word bearing that radical (though some relationships are quite disparate, such as "Troublesome" uses the fire radical). If the same has been applied to Alethi, then the glyph derivation could be based on meaning. However, if Alethi is a progression from a root alphabet, then it is more likely pronunciation/phonetics derived. Either way, the average Alethi (non-historian) just has to memorize the characters and meanings, much like learning modern Chinese (and anybody that knows some Chinese that tries to read Calligraphy understands how difficult it can be to discern stylized characters). With Korean, King Sejong commissioned the Korean alphabet to be developed based on science (consonants were developed based on the mouth and tongue positions used to say that letter) in order to increase literacy for the masses. Korean has a mix of native words and Chinese-derived (called Sino-Korean), but if you know the Sino pronunciation of a Chinese character or can read some characters, you can usually pick it out of Korean language text solo or in compound words/characters (Examples: day = il (일) and tomorrow = nayil (내일) - or - day/일 = 日 and tree/목 = 木 then East/동 = 東 = Sun rising behind a tree ) I would like to think that Alethi is alphabet derived, and the pronunciation can be guessed it. It would make sense with why glyphs like "Book" are stylized to look like a book if the original was never originally based on the a stylized meaning (like how some Chinese is). I apologize if any of that only makes sense in my own mind.
  10. I never viewed those lines through the middle as a connections between orders on opposite sides of the chart (e.g. Windrunners/Lightweavers). I always saw it more as all ten orders converge on the center of the chart. The connections between adjacent orders, always seemed to me because of the shared surge rather than any underlying character or order affiliation/animosity. The only connection lines that did not seem to have an immediate basic reason was Windrunners > Edgedancers and Lightweavers > Stonewards. Interesting theory though (despite that version of the chart showing Dustbringers as Releasers <grin>). The flaw, to me, is in all these connections you make for characters, would imply that connections lines are missing. For instance, with your reasoning above, I would expect a connection between Dalinar and Jasnah, but there isn;t a line between Bondsmiths and Elsecallres.
  11. True, but Syl wasn't in the scene with the dream about riding the Highstorm. She doesn't show up until after Rock shaves him in the riddens. In the second dream (WoR, Ch 32) the Stormfather is telling Kaladin how he will betray Syl and kill her and he gets a visions of the Everstorm, Could that one be "involving Syl" enough? The second dream, at least, is a prescient vision rather than a remote viewing of something currently happening. Which begs the question of whether Shallan's drawings were happening when she drew them, or visions of something past or future.
  12. Except, didn't the referenced WoB say to watch for something similar happening to Syl? So, shouldn't we be looking for an event where Syl "knows" or "sees" something she normally shouldn't? Possibly when she references the red Lightning spren
  13. The "but that night did present a different stratagem, related to the unique abilities of the Bondsmiths" seemed to imply while dreaming to me. I agree. More specifically, I think Dalinar (and possibly Gavilar before him) in reading Way of Kings, thinking on it, and reciting it stumbled upon the first Oath. Being a proto-radiant, for a while now, was how he was selected by Stormfather to receive the visions (since we don't know specifically why he was chosen for visions). We also know that Kaladin and Shallan both glimpsed Shadesmar when first "unlocking" conscious control of their surges (Gravitation and Transformation respectively). I think the dream was a Bondsmith-style foresight glimpse of Shadesmar that he would progress with his Oaths and be able to surgebind.
  14. On the less-obvious humor side, this one tickles me. Not so much a quote of characters speaking in-story. Just a good quote from the story (during the Full Disadvantage Duel)
  15. Here's the line (last line, WoR, Ch 85: Which is echoed again in Ch 86: One of my favorites was Syl, fighting for Kaladin: Another favorite from Syl was: But, really, for me it culminates in this: