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Who has Adolin been so far in the books?

-He has been the son of the blackthorn and been trying to live up to his father’s legacy and now standards. He has huge respect for his father.

-He has been the older brother out of two. He has been the stronger of them supporting his younger brother with his problems and issues.

-Has been and is an accomplished duelist, he is a professional athlete.

-He is betrothed to a beautiful woman that he actually likes a lot, it is his first serious relationship, (maybe second he might have been betrothed before that’s what Shallan is told when she discuss him with someone in the start of WoR I think) even if it was arranged.

How is his sittuation now?

-His father is now a Bondsmith and a radiant something he at the moment probably feels he can never achieve no matter how much he tries. And this will be one hit on him.

-His younger weaker brother is now also a radiant and “stronger/more important them him”, suddenly he is the week one in the family.

-I do not think losing a duel will break him, he is professional and even if he loses and have a dip in his confidence he won’t break. Besides the dueling for shards is probably over now so no chance to duel.

-His betrothed likes him but did she lie to herself that she likes him because she needed him to save her family. Now she is a radiant that saved the army, her brothers are coming to her thanks to the ghostbloods, she no longer needs him. Will her feelings for him change? Will she have time for him? I think there relationship will stagger if not break and this will be an immense hit on him.

Even the ex-slave bridge boy is more important than him now which will affect his self-esteem. If the other ex-slaves start becoming radiant and squires then he will lose even more self-esteem.

Adolin have gone from the cream deluxe top tier citizen to a “second rate citizen” in a matter of days this must be tuff for him.

I believe Adolin will become isolated either by events or isolating himself from the others. He will spend time training recruits while he tries to find his place in this new world. He is very sentimental and I believe that he will spend more time with his blade just talking to it as a way to go thru his problems and keep himself together and when the cup overfills and he actually break there will be a chance for the spren to create the bond.

Heh what if adolins breaking was going to be shallan dumping him for bridge boy....

Now I don't really believe exactly that but he is very attached to her and "losing" her might break his "soul" .

 

The Blade was glowing red: it is assumed to be a Dustbringer plate.

Yes the armor glowed red in the joints. I don't necessarily see that as proof of being a dustbringer just because there glyph is red. The wiki still puts the Radiant as a likely edgedancer, but the wiki is written by fans so that is also just an opinion.

http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Words_of_Radiance:_Chapter_4

I don't remember Squires using Surges O.O

 

I must remember wrong.

Not sure if they can use surges or if they can only use storm light for strength and speed. Or if it's the radiant that "share " the storm light. But in the vision they start glowing.

One morse point speaking for Adolin reviving the spren is that he does have an edgedancer plate. In Dalinars vision where he is in the pure lake he sees and says that the radiants armor looks like Adolin only more narrow "female". That radiant have the friction ability and also seams to have Squires.

The main reason I read Sanderson is his world building, I haven't read anyone who does it better. But there are meny authors out there who writes very good stories. Some have been mentioned before here in the thread and some I haven't seen. I also try to read a lot of self published books some are a hit others a miss but I like to support the self published crowd.

Just to name a few good books that I can recommend. 

-Blood Song by Anthony Ryan is a really good read that I enjoyed very much.

-Black Magician trilogy by Trudi Canavan is also a very good read and long was my favourite series. Her other books Age of five is almost on par (but a similar story) and the rest is not as good.

-The Restorations series by Christopher Williams are an entraining read, and his space opera Long Shot is good too

-Mageborn by Michael Manning, 4 first books are good the 5th(last) does not really keep it up to the same level

-The Seven Realms by Cinda Williams Really good

-The Left Hand of God by Paul Hoffman also good

There are many other books that is worth the read out there and if fantasy bore you read something else, i try to read some space opera to not only read about magic and swords.

The hero is injured and all is lost until the hero finds "the secret" is a common trope. Writers are going to use it over and over again, but it is never a rip-off anymore than the hero and heroine falling in love or class-ism in a book is a rip-off.

 

This trope is often used when a warrior-hero needs to learn an important theme or gain and important item in an exciting way.

 

I can only agree with this.

But

As the trope acts as an release valve. Through out the book there is a build up leading to this expected moment. It is suppost to be a "Yes!" and now we "win the day" moment. It works extremely well in meny books, WoK one of the best if you ask me. But there is also books where this does not work as well and I think WoR fits in that category. 

For me we have Kaladins story that I got draged through the entire book, I really had to force it at times, since I found in way to long and tedious. If we compare tWoK with WoR in the case of Kaladin. I would say that WoK is a physical book, more emphasis on fighting for survival and the war in general, we see him train his "squad" etc. WoR on the other hand is more of an internal struggle book, trust, who he wants to be, and follow orders, the fighting done is more of "needs be be some action scens else it gets boring". 

Now since I already was annoyed with Kaladins arc and then get to the "release" valve, where Brandon uses a for me very "Physical" trope for an interna struggle book, that does not according to me fit Kaladins story to well. The "awesome" and "save the day", "Yes!! Fist pump!" turns in to a "not this again!" feeling. When I first read it I actually was disappointed on the entire scen, somehow I felt cheated/let down. 

Al of Kaladins scens in the book are in them self very well done and good scens, in a sens the line of progression is good and well done it is just something I do not like to read. I find it to long drawn out, I do not find the "release" valve to match the internal struggle he faces, I find the focus on his issues/hatred  to be a little bit over the top for what I can stomach. The main fight scens with Kaladin, Areana, Chasmfiend and Szeth where al good in a way but for me they also have big problems and in a way is disconnected from his story, like they belong to a different book.

The arena is probably the best of the 3 and it holds up very well until the end, the slap blade and spren screaming, opponent runs out felt out of place and was very anticlimax for the scen. This scen is well connected to the story and what I wrote here is nitpicking really but when adding it to the whole it have an effect in the disappointment feeling i have.

The Chasmfiend, I totally understand why the Chasmfiend was there, the entire chams part of the book needs some sense of danger to the deadline that the highstorm gives. The fight it self was good no doubt but here I have Started to be very annoyed in general with Kaladin and the fight somehow provoke the feeling "Yes I know Kaladin is awesome, he is so f**king awesome that he can even kill the biggest chasmfiend ever seen even without sormlight!, you do not have to force it down my throat Brandon!", and yes he had help from Shallan and pattern but still thats the feeling I got. I actually think the fight it self was unnecessary and the sense of danger from the chasmfiend was well enough.

The Szeth fight, here I was just bored and could not connect with Kaladin at al, the annoyance levels where just to high in me. For me the scen was not cool it was just a way for brandon to show what could be done by a newbe windrunner as well as give a sens of what the radiant blades can actually do.

As I see it the internal struggle that is the main part of Kaldins arc does not connect with he physical parts of his arc. The fights feels forced on the storey (except arena fight).

How it is now with: internal struggle, internal struggle .... does it never end.... internal struggle....coated with feeling of "wrong" release valve /trope to solve internal struggle, to finish with the "now we save they day moment" that feels disconnected and is unsatisfactory for me. Not at al of the caliber I expect Brandon to deliver. 

I am a fan of trying to illustrate what i want to say with describing odd "stories" (can find the english word for it now). And i also beleve this difference in opinion on the Kaladin matter is connected to what type of person we our self are, Generalist or a "Specialist". I for one is more of a generalist, I look at what I consider to be big picture, for me pointers is quite enough and details can make things to "clogy" (I have problems with WoT and Fire and Ice due to this reason).

Book two Kaladin tests that small amount of trust. How much he does trust and respect Dalinar in the book is surprising and downright uplifting. He is trying so hard and yet every life experience reminds him that it could all be an act and at some point Dalinar will fail him. He knows that he can't prove what Amaram did and yet he told Dalinar shortly after he began working for him, after he found out they were life long friends. And even after he assumes Dalinar didn't believe him, he continues to trust Dalinar anyway. He allows himself to go to prison on Dalinar's word that he will get him out and continues to respect him after that, Then finally Dalinar proves he deserves Kaladin's trust by catching Amaram in his lie. I think that was the moment Kaladin truly trusted a lighteyes again. I don't think he would have cared about saving Elhokar if Dalinar had not done that.

 

Now had this been the only focus of Kaladin's character arc, I would agree it was single minded, but it wasn't.

 

Kaladin also learned to trust and care about both of Dalinar's sons and Shallan. That was surprising.

 

And that was only half of what his arc focused on. The other half was about now that he had power over his life again, who did he want to be.

 

This is where the Moash plot and the Third ideal come in to play.

 

The third ideal is not a rehash of the second, nor is the scene where Kaladin speaks it a rehash of the 2nd ideal scene in book one. Oh they are similar, they are also similar to the climax of Mistborn 1 and Elantris, The main character is near death and comes to an Epiphany that saves the day. This trope is also used in Hunger Games, several Star Trek episodes, Return of the Jedi, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Both Ghostbusters movies, and etc. It is a trope, but it is not a rehash.

 

Point 1 The beginning of the scene.

Book One: Kaladin reluctantly decides to save Dalinar and his men after several of his friends suggest that they should do something. Kaladin is healthy. He has powers granted by stormlight, He risks his one chance to escape.

 

Book Two: By himself, Kaladin has come to the realization that he needs to save Elhokar. He eagerly goes to do so. He loses nothing if he stays in his room. He no longer has stormlight. He is injured.

 

Point 2 The Crisis.

Book One: He uses up all his stormlight and that does incapacitate him, but I don't think it would have killed him. His friends were going to complete the task by themselves and most likely die. He only risks being killed by his enemies. Can still get up and run.

 

Book two: He is near death after being beaten up by his friend. If he had done nothing, only someone he doesn't like very much could die. Can barely stand or lift his hand.

 

Point 3 The Ideal

 

Book One: "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves" Said when he saved his friends from the Parshendi. 

 

Book Two: "I will protect even those I hate if it is right." Said when he realizes who he wants to be.

 

Point 4 Result.

 

Book One: Kaladin is tired, worried, bitter, but glad he did the right thing.

 

Book Two: Kaladin is a Knights Radient who has fully embraced his role.

 

So that's why I don't see the third ideal scene as a rip-off of the second.

 

Kaladin's story isn't for everyone, but I'm glad Sanderson did it this way because to me it is beautiful.

I totally agree that Kaladins issues was not resolved at the end of tWoK and that they needed to be adressed in WoR. Here Brandon did a really good job no doubt. My problem is that it is to long drawn out and could have been handeld a bit differently. 

Will try to make some lose examples of what i mean so bare with me. 

Imagine if Kaladin had figured out his 3ed ideal at the time he is with Adolin and Shallan at the "zoo" or when they go out on the shattered plains before the chasm stuff. Now if he in these scens would have had the 3ed he would be able to focus more on the positive sides of these light eyes, he does to some degree yes but he is still moping around in the book. Now in these cases we would be able to see him deal with his trust issues in a little bit different way that would maybe feel more like some progression actually happens.  Note that having the 3ed ideal for this is not really necessary but it is a turing point symbolising that he actually got somewhere and having it earlier and seeing him interact with people around him with this in mind would in my opinion yeald better results. But I guess that this will be his focus in book 3. On a nother note the chasm scen is for me a truly good example of how he progress, and this progress should have come earlier and been built upon more for my liking.

Why I say that the 3ed ideal scen is a rip-off the 2ed ideal scen is maybe due to me being a generalist. I agree that the differences you point out is accurate but that is not how i read the scen. In my opinion I would attach the saying "Unique snowflake" to the differences you point out (no pun intend I respect your well thought out answer).

I view it as this for both scens:

Wounded tired - Check

Fighting impossible odds - Check

speaking Ideal - Check

Power-up healing to full health - Check

Stormlight saves the day - Check

And this type of general repeating of scens is for me to much when it comes to Kaladin and how they are used to resolve his issues that needs to be resolved in WoR.

You've never been depressed I assume? One just can't be rational at such time. I find it refreshing to have this realism in Kal's story arc, but of course you have your own preferences. I thought it was nice to see someone dealing with serious inner issues and only conflicts from outside, even though I pulled my hair in frustration at times, but I enjoyed it anyway. 

 

 

'So, he Elhokar put me in prison like any lighteyes I've ever hated would have done, he's the reason for my family's misfortunes, he didn't even stop to think I might have been right in my accusations, instead he almost executed me on a whim. But I have two blankets and my chamber pot is changed regularly, so I got this going on for me which is nice. So, I'm gonna protect him from my almost only friend who's been with me through Damnation itself.'

 

Better? 

Depressed? We have sesonal depression here..... try living in a place where you do not see the sun for 4 months.... it does funny things to your mods and genneral well beeing....

On the story arc, ofc one can not change major parts of a book and keep the stuff behind them. In the example of the prison the reason for being there in the first place have to be rewriten too to better fit the "new" story:)

If the depression, anger, fear, and backpedaling of progress that he'd made was necessary (and for which so many of you have made such persuasive arguments saying that it is, so I'm not arguing that it wasn't) then to have presented it to us in a different way--so that he wasn't just retreading what had already happened.  More meaningful interactions between him and Syl and members of Bridge 4 who didn't happen to be named Moash would gone a long way to alleviating this, I think.  A character arc that's not boiled down to "Learn to trust in myself and my friends, even though I did that once already" would have as well.

 

I still like Kaladin; I still think that WoR was an amazing book.  But I also think that even if his characterization was realistic and apt, it didn't serve to engag me as a reader nearly as strongly as it did the first time around in WoK--and it actively broke me out of continuing my reading binge on two separate occasions (while I'm sure work was glad that I managed to scrape together the 4 hours of sleep each time, I think that's beside the point).

I agree with this.

       Sebarial raised a cup of wine toward Dalinar. “Hope you don’t mind,” Sebarial said. “We liberated your stores. They were blowing past at the time, headed for certain doom.”

Dalinar stared at them. Palona even had a novel out and was reading.

Most fun/unexpected thing in the book, bit cliche but dam good.

There was a lot that was realy frustation about Kaladin and his arc. Other then it was to long drawn out. Some of this I beleve tie in to what we as a reader want to read and what Fantasy is to us.

Kaladins arc in wor: Yes it was realistic. Yes Brandon did an amasing job to write a "true" character but the question for me is is this something I want to read? And the asnwer is quite simply No. And I truly hope that Brandon is done with this depression/repeeting stuff now. I am actually kind of amazed on one thing though. Kaladin is supposadly a bright character, there is suppoast to be a head on his shoulders and not only an "angry" face. And not once do we she him stop and question/analyze himself and what is going on around him. We always she him eather running after someone or mopping.

For me the asnwer to the question:

Let me clarify. How would you have wanted Kaladin to act in WoR?

I wish al of Kaladins worth of "progression" in WoR would be done half way through the book. He could even have done the 3ed ideal there, maybe figgure it out while he was in the cell and had time for reflections instead of mopping. That would have been much more satisfying to read then a almoast compleate rip-off from the second ideal scen in tWoK (it was cool the first time not so much the second) and would actually symbolice some character progression. After that we could have seen some more interaction with the bridgmen, I know training men only give that much story but atleast something more from them then what is in WoR today. A vissit to Lopens family that would be promption his idea to drop the king of there. More of Kaladin and Sly moments now that he have reaceh the third ideal and better understand his oaths maybe he could have some propper chats with Sly again instead of just what he beleve is right and she tells him is wong.

That was just from the top of my head what could have been but in essence WoR for me lacks character progression for Kaladin and scens of him that are more diverged and not this singel-mindedness we have.

I would like to try and illustrate Kaladins arc with a real world senario...... 

Imagine you are living out in nowhere and you have to drive to the next city..... it is 400km through forrest, forrest and some more forrest. during this trip you will see trees some more trees and some trees, if you are extremely lucky you might see some rare animal to spice the trip like a bear or a lynx but you know beforehand that you will mostly just see trees. Now this is boring as h**l .... about 5 hours with seeing trees ... trust me this sucks i know.

Now how does this compare to Kaladins arc.... well we know Kaladin have issues with lighters, his trust of them etc, we know he have suffered a lot, more then anyone should and we know he is grumpy etc. Now we knew al this even before WoR. So when we are to read and "write" Kaladins arc (journey) we have a huge benefit compared to the real life senario namely that we can choose to not write the full journey since we already know it we kan just do half of it. It is a little hard to skip 200km of that car journey in real life but with writing its different....

My issue is that we spent an entire book worth of Kalandins arc to see trees and trees and trees. Trees that we already know was there. Yes I totally agree some of this was necessary but damnation it was to much, way to much, this could have been sorted and dealt with 1/2 way through the book and the second half spent on new progression. Right now i just feel like we spent 1 book reading about Kaladin and we hardly see the outskirts of the "neighbouring city".... it feels like we are at the same place as we started.....

Now that was my humble and personal opinion

One have to understand (in my opinnion) that easter eggs are a way for the author to reward the fans that have read a lot of said author and alternative give snippets for a larger story. This is also a very delicate line to walk, when is it to much or to little or to significant? And these question are up to each reader to decide what they think, ultimately the author writes what the author wants and we as readers can only have an opinion and there is no right or wrong here.  

When it comes to WoR (and tWoK) I am also having a feeling that Brandon have put to much easter eggs or cosmere related things in the book(s).

Way of Kings was fine on its own but staring to add in WoR its getting to much.

Here is some things that I find to be to much when looking at the complete picture, each point on its own is fine but al of them together is just to much.

-World Hoppers (first the therm) is never in the books but totally cosmere related. 

Wit/Hoid is fine as a character and his quirks and antiques is nice easter eggs, mostly when he talks. I did not like the swallowing metals since that is based on a different "magic system" not in the books.

-17th shard characters, these are fine on there own .... but again add all world hopper together and its to much

-Zahel/Vasher, funny character with strange metaphors which is fun but this is actually the world hopper I'm most disappointed in, instead of using this character for some KR foreshadowing or something stormlight related he is cosmere related which makes me as a Stormlight Archive reader loose out on prospective story.

-Ghostbloods (Marize ?, Ilyat..? how ever they where spelled) suspected of being world hoppers ......

-The ardent drawing bridge four glyphs, this character have no relevance to the story

On top of this we have Hoids letter. Not part of the stormlight story. This is a nice addition in general

And finally we have Nightblood, I was actually doing a big NOOOO! when I read that part of the book ( I was firstly annoyed with dead characters not staying dead and then get Nightblood dropped on me).  Yes i also lowed Nighblood but in my opinion that sword have nothing to do in this series, would have been better if it was a lost honorblade instead or what ever......

Again I want to stress that hese points on there own is very much fine but when adding them al up they become to much. I find Wit/Hoid + his letter to be well enough to supply easter eggs for cosmere related things. The rest just put it over the top and almost makes me feel like i lose out on stormlight archive story (story in a sens of trying to connect al oddities to Roshar and the magic system in affect on this world just to relice they actually connect to something entirely different.)

If I remember correctly she only hears the screaming after she bonded the storm spren. I thought the screaming she heard was just "her old self" trying to fight the storm spren.

I lean towards Stoneward  too. I do not think Lopen is a squire, i believe the squire have to be close to the radiant to get axess to stormlight. Lopen was noware near Kaladin and he  draw storm light from a sphere himself.

sorry but laser eyes just made me remember this

i Always took Zahel as a warrior that once had a spren but made the "wrong" choses and destroyed the bond killing the spren. What in his Interlude make you believe he is Vasher?

The shardblades remain in the physical realm since when the radiants summoned them and broke the bond the spren died. But a dead spren still exist so they remind as shardblads. It also says that the early shadblands could not be summoned/dismissed they where always in the physical realm. This changed when someone put a gem on there blade and then they managed to bond the blade and thus summon it. 

It also says that the dead spren lives a little again when someone sync their heartbeat to them. And this is why the blade can be summoned/dismissed. 

When a radiant or radiant potential person feels discomfort by shardblads they feel the dead spren and if they come in physical contact whit it they hear it scream. Maybe the Sprean are looked in their "death scream".

Maybe Adolin will manage to revive the spren in his blade since he treats it as something "living". And in the end when he fights Szeth he either thinks or hears a "duck" when he loose the view of Szeth. Guess it depends on the spren the blade is if it is one that would bond Adolin.

Haha, after getting the book last week already I was waiting for today to come, so that the lucky few of us can start talking

My reactions to you, and some general reactions:

In general, I really liked it. Great book, fun to see more of the world, and really cool stuff happening. I would give it an 8 out of 10 for Brandon.

 

My main issue is that book one was mostly setting up stuff, and I was really hoping for more somehow. Book 2 sets up a lot more, and it does all it needed to do, but it seems "on rails" sometimes and doesn't quite go beyond that always... It has a bit too much of "moving pieces in the right place for later awesomeness" feeling, both within the book and as a whole for setting up later books. This is only bad because it feels like the book itself lacks a bit of "grip" because of it. Biggest issues:

 

1. Yes, Kaladin was both static and generic for most of the book, and then repetitive towards the end. I really don't get it - he blatantly violated the second ideal for a long time, and the third is really just the fine print for the second. This shouldn't have been necessary, and it feels like his character is stalling. The fights were great - strangely enough both fights with Szeth didn't do much for me.

2. Szeth in general was underused. He was fun in his fight on the Plains before Kaladin got there, but not with him. He also was repetitive: He had two revelations that there's a Surgebinder there - and after the first he just goes and lets Taravangian talk him into "Oh no, wasn't the case after all..." That was ridiculous - after Kaladin fought with a normal spear against Szeth, almost dying, Szeth thinks he might have an Honorblade? Sure, that wouldn't have been useful fighting him... Still, despite the unnecessary loop, the place he's left at in the end promises a lot for the next book. Love it, and looking forward to seeing his new friend interact with Roshar

3. The final battle was a bit underwhelming. No one really expects the everstorm not to happen at that point, and the portal is also clearly happening, so it's not that exciting. They weren't even forced to withdraw against an overwhelming force. I assume this is because the Stormform parshendi needed to disappear.

4. Shallan. Her book, but didn't care so much. The ghostbloods thing is interesting, but her past was really what was expected. The surprise (Pattern was her blade back then) doesn't really work for me and is less satisfying than if she had a blade from elsewhere somehow. It doesn't quite ring true for me...

5. Sadeas: I didn't care that much. He was not really a problem in the end and yet a constant bother. Not really fleshed out in his plans and goals I felt, they didn't click for me. Glad it's over at least, and I was pleasantly surprised to see him go.

6. Death: With both Szeth and Jasnah returning, and Shardblades losing a lot of their danger with Kaladin healing his arm, Death has been letting me down this book. Too much resurrection for my taste.

 

 

Some other comments:

Taravangian: Little of him, but fun and we see his hand. Great and looking for more.

Heralds: They're out there, and getting more obvious. Who's betting on the Swordmaster as one? Taln not really there yet, which is ok, keep him for later.

Selabrial: Fun. Loved him and his wife.

Amaram: Pretty happy with how he ended up. The whole him leading the KR was a bit weird, but it never led to anything so that's ok (what was up with that? Did he do anything? Or just wear the cloak for a month or 2?)

Rhysn: Cool interlude! And the Islands, a wow moment! I wish there would've been a bit more of the worldbuilding interludes, but they got a bit sidelined for side plots, and with Ym and Lift prereleased they didn't register much any more.

Jasnah: Was shocked first - then at the end I wish she would've stayed dead. Although there's a chance this is awesome: I'm really hoping this is not just an escape - she actually is dead!! She's now in whatever the Tranquiline Halls or Damnation are, and Hoid has a way there. Might allow her to return, but only at a great effort...

 

My favorite moments:

- The big arena fight. Great, and diverse.

- Kaladin and Adolin bonding. A bit predictable but very well done and enjoyable

- Jasnah's death. Big surprise and well done. And it felt so final, with the dagger hitting the wood. As above, I hope she's in the Halls, or maybe even Damnation.

- Shallan on the boat and working her way to the Plains. She got less interesting once she got there. Exception: Shallan sneaking into Amaram's place - great moment!

- The little Selabrial moments

- Walking Islands interlude, and Lift interlude to a lesser degree - her character is a bit grating for me, but the worldbuilding was great.

- Eshonai before Stormform. After she was a plot device on rails.

 

 

I agree a lot with you. I felt like after the dueling arena scen Kaladin stagnated totally. Thats why i think the third ideal should have come there not in the end. 

Selabrial was one of the best in the book, specially when he was siting there eating Dalinars provision and the misstres was reading a book. That was just a huge laugh for me.

Considering al the pain death and suffering that has been happening on Roshar over 99 desolations and in between. I think is likely that al that can give reason for the Unmade being spren feeding on those emotions.

Words of Radiance: Chapter 28 Epigraph said

The betrayal of spren has brought us here.
They gave their Surges to human heirs,
But not to those who know them most dear, before us.
’Tis no surprise we turned away
Unto the gods we spent our days
And to become their molding clay, they changed us.
-From the Listener Song of Secrets, 40th stanza

It says gods here, who where the Parshendi gods originally. I don't for one moment believe that it was Odium and/or the Unmade. Even if those are the ones that answered their preyers in order to use them for for destruction.

The most interesting part for me is the Unmade. Just what are they? They cause death rattles and Thrill, so, are they spren? Are *they* perhaps, Adonalsium spren that broke when he shattered?

 

Mr T says something about them in his diagram. I think they are spren but maybe they are related to al the negative feelings of humanity and maybe even Parshendi 

Words of Radiance: Chapter 54 Epigraph said

This act of great villainy went beyond the impudence which had hitherto been ascribed to the orders; as the fighting was particularly intense at this time, many attributed this act to a sense of inherent betrayal; and after they withdrew, about two thousand made assault upon them, destroying much of the membership; but this was only nine of the ten, as one said they would not abandon their arms and fl ee, but instead entertained great subterfuge at the expense of the other nine

 

I read this as some group killing of the radiants that gave up their shards but who did it? the church? sky breakers? or maybe the future stone shamans?

Do we know how any spices was created. Where they all created by Andolisuom and he also created Parshendi when he was moving around. Or do we have good old Darvins theory in the cosmere?

Greetings

So finally it’s Tuesday and words of radiance is here. Now for the question that everyone wants to know. What did you think about the book?

I will here write my take on the book, what I think was good and bad mostly. Spoilers follow, I will not show actual text from the book but I will mention scenes so stop reading if you have not read the book and do not want to know what happens.

Lets start with a general impression of the book. I think it was good it was really good, I have so far rated it a 5/5 but the more I think of it more things that really annoy me comes to mind so I will let it rest a bit and after the hype have settled read it again, maybe it will end up as a 3,5/5.

There is a lot more to say and discuss but this is my main points so far. I hope we can discuss other things in this book as well, below are more heavy spoilers. 

I also got my book yesterday, amazon ,de really divilvered it the day after I ordered it, i was really suppriesed at that. Been reading alot of it im coming up on the last 200 pages now. Have read everything exept what we got to preview but I skimmed them so to make sure i got the setting right and not messing things from memory.
 
So far I have to say its a good book really good but somehow I also feel anoyed at some things, although i still have al of the ending to read

My feeling at the moment with the book in the spoilertag
 

Edit: changed a lill in the spoilertag