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Minor spoilers for Way of Kings, and for Warbreaker So I read Way of Kings first and I know there are two types of language, at least with the Alethi. Their standard written and spoken language, and their glyphs. Reading Warbreaker, I'm at the part where Siri just found out the God King had his tongue cut out and can't read, so she decides to teach him. She starts with the first letter of the first word - Shash. Shash is a glyph in WoK meaning dangerous, it is what Kaladin is branded with. Is it a simple coincidence, sharing the same phonetics or something? Or is there more to it?
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Whew, glad I checked this! I was just about to post a thread asking if it was a mistake after scratching my head for a bit and reading a few more pages to see if there would be some clarification
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So I just started reading Allow of Law today, and completely unexpectedly came across Wax stating that people wear "aluminum linings" under their hats, to protect against having their emotions tampered with. I couldn't help but burst out laughing that the people of Scadrial wear tinfoil hats for essentially the same reason our crazies do. Except they have a legitimate reason for doing so, and it is the "city's elite" who commonly do it, as opposed to the popular image of our tinfoil hat wearers
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I don't remember anything about a Spren being involved with the Skyeels, but if you go to the beginning of chapter 3, you'll find a few pictures of Skyeels drawn by Shallan with some notations. One of them is her wondering how they fly, and noting that she sees a "pouch under each wind that deflates as it dives". I think that it just gathers air in these pouches, then when diving expels the air to rise up again, then continues to glide for a time. Strangely enough in my head I imagine it similar to how Mario flies in Super Mario World when he uses the cape to fly, and raises in the air after diving a short distance.
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That's great! Now let's hope he chooses that question to ask!
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I absolutely love this, and while it seems to have been debunked, I really think this is something that someone needs to ask Brandon! It's way too much of a coincidence that Balderdash spells Shardblade.
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I don't understand how Allomancy of Feruchemy could be used mechanically without the people having the abilities themselves. I mean, the metals on Scadrial aren't magical in any way as far as I know, and as someone pointed out they could probably burn the same metals from any other planet. So how do machines have the ability to burn metals like an Allomancer? When I first heard people talking about it, I had assumed that they had Mistings and possibly Mistborn, but instead of using their abilities to shoot coins and zip around the night flying off coins, they put their abilities to use powering machines - future book spoilers
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Well it seems in each of his books, Sanderson creates a completely new magic system. They all follow similar laws and all do semi-similar things but in general they are all unique - except, it would seem, healing and Lightweaving. The major difference between each system is the manner in which it can be used, a different power source if you will. Scadrial requires certain metals to be burned, Roshar requires different gems infused with Stormlight (not sure what will happen if someone tries to do some Surgebinding in a Highstorm, could make for some good speculation), and I think Warbreaker requires Breath? The similarities I mentioned about Allomancy and Surgebinding was mostly the fact that some things can be "pulled" or "pushed". In Scadrial it is done in a different manner and has different limitations, i.e. doesn't seem to affect gravity, it just creates a force either outward on a metal object that can be used to push something or repel yourself, or pull a metal object to you or use it to pull yourself to it, if the object is heavy enough or rooted in place. Surgebinding is similar in a fashion, it can change the gravitational forces to produce a similar effect as Pulls or Pushes. Give an item a gravitational force and it pulls in nearby objects to it, realign your own gravity and it is similar to Pulling yourself to an object. I know it isn't the same thing, merely pointing out that they can accomplish nearly the same effect but in a completely different manner. On to the point of Lightweaving, so far no magic system has repeated itself except for healing. Obviously Yolan Lightweaving will require a different power source, coming from it's own shardworld. But from what I've seen, while some things in each magic system may have similar effects that are accomplished in different methods (Pulling yourself to a metal object vs. re-aligning your own gravity to fall towards the direction you want to go), it really stands out to me, even just the fact that they share a name. Of course it has yet to be seen if both forms of Lightweaving actually do the same thing, as we haven't really seen it in either book yet (minus one example from Hoid), or perhaps they accomplish similar effects but with completely different methods. And, as Shardlet has pointed out we're not 100% sure it even is called "Lightweaving" on Yolen or not. Anyways, suffice to say that I've noticed it as a bit of an oddity for the moment, but it remains to be seen. Heck, my only info that Hoid actually has Lightweaving (besides his own example) is from his entry on Coppermind, which may have just used the word "Lightweaving" because it's the only semi-known thing that may produce that affect. Whew, and that's waaay more than I meant to type on that. Oh I never doubted that a shard can grant these powers. I was merely stating that the two things suggested - Hoid asking Ruin/Preservation for Feruchemy on Yolen before the split/before they moved to another world, and the fact that Allomancy, Feruchemy and Hemelurgy only came about as a result of Ruin/Preservation interacting with Scadrial - are contradictory. I'm sure he could have went to Scadrial once Ruin/Preservation/Harmony Sazed was there and ask for it then, OR if those powers are completely tied to a Shard and NOT the interaction of the Shards+Planet then he could have asked for the powers in Yolen, pre-Shard migration. Sorry if my wording before was a bit confusing. It does sound interesting, I've just picked up Allow of Laws today and it'll probably be my next read, I'm actually really looking forward to reading about Allomancy again! Thanks for all the replies everyone, its really cleared up a lot of my questions and filled me in on some things I wouldn't have been able to find out on my own.
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I know the feeling, especially when its in response to large posts like this one Oh awesome thanks for the links. I'll have a read and see what I can see. Without having read them yet I'd have to assume he held Preservation's power in the form of the Mist, because he had never found TLR's secret room or found the Well, as far as I know. Don't bother responding to this part unless you really want to, I'll go ahead and read up on it! That makes a fair bit of sense actually, the powers of a Windrunner seemed very similar to some of those of Allomancy, except it works on anything and now just metal. Both of the explanations I've heard satisfy me... However I'm still very slightly disappointed one of the Lightweaving isn't given a different name. I'll live though So it seems that Hoid is traveling between shardworlds collecting different powers. That makes me wonder what his goal is... I think I'll be joining some Hoid speculation threads soon! Sounds interesting. While that's not normally my thing I have a feeling Sanderson will do it in a way that pulls me in, I'm almost positive I'll enjoy it regardless of the setting. I know right? Each book you read only leaves you with more questions! The Cosmere 101 thread has helped a lot, although it could use some links to all the things that seem to be common knowledge around here that aren't included in released books, like a lot of the Q&A's. I'd bet there's a thread linking them all, and actually I think someone provided me with a link to it but I haven't explored it yet.
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It seems like there are a multitude of "racial magic" on Roshar. To add to the list, the Horneater's ability to see Spren, although we don't know if that is unique to Rock, or if they can all see Spren who want to be invisible. Specifically, with the Thrill, I have a sneaking suspicion that the Alethi have been manipulated or somehow modified by Odium to be more predisposed towards war. Jasnah once said something along the line of, intelligence was once more prized than strength, or something which leads me to believe that the Alethi were once like any other race, then Odium changed them. This would lead to them forgetting important things, about history, bonding with Spren, Surgebinding, Voidbringers and the Desolation, etc etc, and it would also weaken them and the rest of the world by preventing them from working together, for when Desolations happen. Also, we keep getting hints as to the difference between lighteyes and darkeyes, I'm curious to find out what it turns out to be.
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Hmm, this leaves a lot of things open then. In Mistborn there was an access point to Preservation's power at least and we're not sure anything like that exists in Roshar if someone were to take up Honor's shard. I don't really remember the part about Kelsier.. I think I remember Vin hearing Kelsier's voice at one point while using the Mist. How was he able to do this, did it just sort of happen? I've seen a few threads around talking about Kelsier being a Sliver or some such but I really don't remember him obtaining Preservation's power at any point. Maybe I missed something, I'll probably need a re-read. He chose to stick around in essentially a spirit form? I didn't know people could do that, I wonder if it's a choice anybody can make, or because he held Preservation's power? Well, if that's the case then I guess we don't have to worry about anybody obtaining those fragments. Yea it makes perfect sense, and I'd agree in any other situation than one that threatens the entire Cosmere. If it was just that one world and surrounding planets then I'd let the people of that shardworld work on their own problems. But if it threatened Scadrial and Sazed has the power to prevent it, if it were me I'd totally try to prevent it. But, that's just me and I can accept it how it is! Yea I was probably a little hasty saying that he repeated the magic system. But it does seem a little strange that he'd give the same name to two different powers. We're not sure if they actually are different powers yet, as we've only barely seen Lightweaving in Roshar and haven't seen it at all in Yolan, so maybe they do the same thing, maybe they do completely different things. I'm sure the requirement for using it will be different, but even just the fact that it shares the same name made me pause for a bit. Again, something I can totally ignore and most past, but it just really stands out from everything else for me. If what you say about the magic system being a result of the Shard's power interacting with the shardworld then it wouldn't be possible for Hoid to ask Preservation/Ruin for Feruchemy, as Feruchemy would have been created after interacting with Scadrial. So basically every question we have about how Hoid got his powers is dependent on whether or not the magic systems are naturally inherent in the Shards, or a reaction of the Shards and the shardworlds. If the Shards themselves created the magic system then Hoid could have obtained all of them on Yolan before they shattered, or just after, but before they moved to another world. If it really is an interaction with the Shards and the shardworld however, that would be a lot more work on on Hoid's part. He would have to travel to each shardworld and somehow obtain each power. For Feruchemy we don't know how it can be granted, except with what you said about the mechanical/technological way (which I assume comes from The Allow of Law?), we don't know how he obtained Lightweaving, although since it's part of the magic system on his shardworld I assume he was either born into it or obtained it in a similar manner as some of the other obtainable abilities. If Awakening requires him to be a native of Nalthis then I have no idea how he was able to obtain this power, unless there's a mistake on Coppermind and he doesn't actually have this ability? If he had to obtain all these powers by traveling to all these worlds and investing a serious amount of time and effort in each one, that implies some serious goal he has in mind. Master ruler of the Cosmere, holding every power? Or friendly wizened interstellar traveler, helping those in need with wisdom and the power of many shardworlds? I can see why so many people are so intrigued by him. I didn't know any official timeline for this. If this is the case, how is Demoux still alive? Does he have more powers than we (or perhaps just I) know of? Also if Way of Kings is three hundred years after the Mistborn Trilogy and so is The Alloy of Law, that's some pretty crazy technological differences (even though I haven't read Allow of Law yet! ) Eh, FTL? I'm not terribly familiar with Sci Fi but I assume that means they'll be building space ships? Crazy. I'm normally not a fan of Sci Fi stuff at all, but I think I'd make an exception for Sanderson. Actually I wasn't planning on reading Allow of Law because I had heard it has a modern setting, which I'm also not terribly fond of in Fantasy books (although I have read a few great ones with a modern setting), but I've decided that I'll read it anyways, because I've loved everything I've read by Sanderson so far! Sorry for all the massive posts. I tend to get into huge conversations on forums, especially when I'm brand new to a series like this.
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Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to answer another of my huge posts! Thanks for that, I don't think I'd have ever found that out myself. The only reason I suggested that the shards occupy either the Spiritual or Cognitive realms are because of what I remember from Mistborn. As far as I remember, Sazed, Ruin and Preservation didn't/don't reside in the Physical realm. Their body does in the form of Atium and the Mists, but as for their... Awareness?... I think Sazed is in a different realm. I'd like to know if I'm wrong, or if anybody knows the truth of it. Also, what is this about Kelsier? I think I may have missed something.. I'm not sure how far into this I want to get for fear of ruining the entire book for myself, but when you say they are Splintered, what does that mean exactly? Is it something similar to Lerasium, in the sense that it has been split into many pieces that can be obtained and used in some way? I think I remember reading that, but its too bad. Odium is off killing shards of other planets it would seem, and its been implied that the entire Cosmere may be in trouble if he succeeds at what ever his dastardly plan is. You'd think with the entire universe in trouble he could bend his own rules a bit! I didn't know there was a difference, let alone that there was another "version" of it! That seems like a strange thing for Sanderson to do, repeat one of his own magic systems.. We don't know anything about it yet do we? When I look up Lightweaving it seems it's in the Dragonsteel series which hasn't been published. That gives me another idea... The original shards were all on Yolen, and Hoid was around when Adonalsium was shattered. It's the shards that give the magic system to each world, yes? We don't yet know where Feruchemy comes from, other than being genetic. I wonder if it's possible that it comes from Yolen, or even another area we don't know about yet and Hoid brought it to Scadrial? I don't know how he could get the power of Awakening since I haven't read Warbreaker yet, so I'm not sure if it can be obtained by anyone, but it would make sense if he obtained that ability on Yolen as well. I haven't read those books yet either, but that makes sense. If Stormlight couldn't be stored it'd be impossible to Surgebind anywhere else as well. That is really interesting, it seems like Sanderson doesn't accidentally do anything and that it may come up in the future. It's been confirmed that there are other Worldhoppers as well (Demoux being one of them, although I don't remember anything indicating why he would in the Mistborn books, or how). I read in one of the Q&As that he was planning on there eventually being a book (or book series?) that brings the entire Cosmere to a conclusion, maybe we'll see them Worldhopping in that. Or, possibly even within the Stormlight Archive, but to the planets within the System. *EDIT* Sort of answering my own question about the possibility of bonding with multiple Spren to obtain more than one set of Surgebinding abilities... reading another of the Q&As it seems like a person could obtain almost any power from any world through Hemalurgy... maybe... From the nature of the response it seems like he has plans to include it in future books CHAOS Can Hemalurgy be used to steal magic attributes from any Shardworld? BRANDON SANDERSON Hemalurgy has larger ramifications then just Scadrial. That's about all he'd say *Edit.. again* Also, in which book is it revealed that the 17th shard group forms, and for what purpose? Also who all is in the group, just two people?
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Many questions and thought about the Shards, and the Cosmere. It probably goes without saying, but there will be spoilers for... nearly every book in the Cosmere, I assume. So to start, I've only read the first 3 of the Mistborn, and Way of Kings. All shards were originally one, and were splintered somehow. I doubt its known, but how did the shards get where they are? It was originally one, in once place, I'm guessing the spiritual realm, or the Cognitive realm (Shadesmar?). So it seems like for people to have obtained the shards, they would have to be worldhoppers or at least able to travel to Shadesmar (if this is where it was located). Unless the shards were somehow scattered across the Cosmere onto various planets. From some readings I've done, it seems many of the shard holders are dead - both of the ones from Elantris, both the ones from the Mistborn trilogy (although Sazed took up the shards), and one from Stormlight Archive. So far we know it IS possible for somebody to take up a shard after the original holder has died, seen in the Mistborn series when Sazed takes up Ruin and Preservation. We also know that Odium is behind the deaths of the shards from Elantris (don't know the names, won't bother learning it until I read the book probably). So, either Odium took both of them similar to how Sazed did, or they are unclaimed. Again, to get to them I'd assume you'd have to go through Shadesmar, if that is where they are. Since we now know that - A: shards can be taken by people after the original holder has died, and B: that shard holders can travel through the Cosmere, it leaves me wondering if Sazed will end up with all the shards at some point, of Odium doesn't already have two of them, plus maybe Honor's. So it is known that Hoid was present for the shattering of Adonalsium. I wonder if maybe he originally held it? Were there any worlds before it was shattered, or was everything already established just with no shard holders? Also, on Coppermind it says Hoid has the abilities of Awakening from Warbreaker, Feruchemy from Mistborn, in possession of a bead of Lerasium, so he has the possibility of being a full Mistborn, Lightweaving from Stormlight Archive. So is it possible for a person to obtain the abilities from world in the Cosmere? And would they all work anywhere? Obviously with Lightweaving a person would need to carry infused gems with them, they would need metals for Allomancy and Feruchemy and I don't know how the Awakening works yet. If Hoid is able to Lightweave, he must have other aspects of Surgebinding as well that we don't know of. Did he bond with a Spren, or did he obtain those powers mysteriously like Szeth? It also says Hoid is a Worldhopper, capable of traveling between worlds by accessing Shadesmar. So far we know Shallan and Jasnah can visit Shadesmar, and it appears Jasnah has the ability to teleport as well, probably by using Shadesmar as well. So does this mean Shallan and Jasnah can Worldhop as well, visiting other worlds and possibly obtaining their abilities? If the unclaimed shards are located there, then it may be possible for one of them, or Hoid to obtain them. Anyways, that's all I can think of for now although I'm sure I missed something. *EDIT* Thought of something else. Is it possible for a person to bond with multiple Spren and obtain more than one set of Surgebinding abilities?
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Just finished WoK - some questions and thoughts
Levian replied to Levian's topic in Stormlight Archive
I really like your idea about the Alethi being on the opposite side of things, that would make for a pretty insane twist. -
Just finished WoK - some questions and thoughts
Levian replied to Levian's topic in Stormlight Archive
This part is really interesting to me, I'm always curious about how the magic systems work. So it seems that Kaladin has the same abilities as Szeth, except we haven't seen him use the Basic Lashing yet. I'm guessing the information about Jasnah and Shallan comes from readings of the next book? They may not have specific duties, but the shards (or people holding the shards?) clearly each do something. Odium seems hell bent on destroying things, I'm not really sure about Cultivation, but I would assume s/he/it is behind the life on Roshar, possibly helping things evolve to survive the Highstorms, and as other people have suggested possibly as the Nightwatcher. This leaves me wondering what Honor was doing. I highly doubt he just sat around doing nothing, and since he made the Honorpact with Odium it seems as if he had something to do with either actively or passively countering him. It makes me wonder what he was doing, as in most fantasy series the God-like figure tends to not intervene directly, but is usually behind either giving people their magical abilities, choosing a champion every so often, etc etc. -
Just finished WoK - some questions and thoughts
Levian replied to Levian's topic in Stormlight Archive
Put that way, it does make a lot more sense to me. When you said he's trying to become a benevolent tyrant, it reminded me of Dalinar's vision, when he figures out that King Nohadon unites the world by force before writing his book. Oh, figures as I write this I realize I didn't read your last sentence, where you said the same thing! Well, I suppose I can always hope that Dalinar realizes at some point what Taravangain is doing and compares it himself to King Nohadon, and possibly teams up with him once he unites the Alethi princes. -
Just finished WoK - some questions and thoughts
Levian replied to Levian's topic in Stormlight Archive
That makes sense to me, but it still leaves me with the question - what did the Heralds agree to? They obviously agreed to being tortured in between every Desolation, but what is the other side of the agreement? I'm assuming there isn't an answer for this just yet, but it's still a question that's burning in my mind. Thanks for the link. On a bit of a tangent, in the Q&A it says that there are currently two shards on Roshar. Honor is dead, so he isn't one. Odium is on Braize, so he isn't one either. That leaves Cultivation and a fourth shard? I can only assume that the Nightwatcher is the fourth shard on Roshar. Okay that makes a bit more sense to me now. I'm still left wondering what his duties were though, and if he was counteracting Odium like Ruin and Preservation. Maybe as his name Honor implies, after he died men because less honorable? Jasnah mentioned something along the lines of intellect (and possibly honor?) once being more valued than strength in battle. I doubt its as simple as that though. Also, with Honor dead, where might his shard be, and is it able to be claimed by someone to take up his job? I'm sure this has been speculated before, but I would assume the answer is yes, and will occur most likely in the last book. And I nominate Dalinar for this position! This is really interesting to me, because the only ones I've seen outright are the blades the Heralds used (Honorblades?) and the blades used by mankind, the Shardblades - which I also assume are the blades used by the Radiants. So that leaves me wondering, what is the third type of blade, and where might we have seen a glimpse of it? Szeth perhaps? Ah that's where I was confused. I saw the Ars Arcanum but I didn't know that the names beside the number were representing a Herald. I also didn't know that the Essence was. So this leaves me wondering, since each one has a Soulcasting property, could each order of the Radiants Soulcast as well as Surgebind? I would assume not, and that a person either had the ability to do one or the other, as we've seen that Soulcasters can manage to work with any of the 10 properties. -
Just from the fact that you can't walk there, and that it has been placed westward makes me think it's on an Island, or perhaps Shinovar. They seem to be surrounded by mountains and I'm not sure if it is possible to get there by foot, or if they have to take a ship around or not.
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Just finished WoK - some questions and thoughts
Levian replied to Levian's topic in Stormlight Archive
I've got to say, that left me with even more questions than when I started, haha! I didn't word it well enough I see. What I'm wondering is what is the Oathpact? What did they agree to? It sounds -in a way- similar to the Old Magic, where they made an agreement where they get something, but are tortured as a result. I'm sure the Old Magic has nothing to do with it, just stating the similarities. So what do they get, in return for agreeing to be eternally tortured? Eternal life, and the ability to come to Roshar every Desolation to help turn the tides? Also, how do we know of this Braize and any other possible planets? I don't remember seeing them mentioned anywhere, unless they are in the link you sent me on reading from the next book. So, this leaves me with a few more questions. I'm assuming a lot of this information comes from other books I haven't yet read (So far other than WoK I've only read the first three of the Mistborn trilogy). Who is the Almighty? I keep hearing talk of Honor and Cultivation. I'll admit I'm not very familiar with Sanderson's Cosmere, even after having read Mistborn. I suppose he was - like Sazed - just a man who managed to get a Shard and now is essentially a God. But what is his purpose? I'm assuming like Ruin and Preservation, Honor and Odium clashed, were opposing forces (which leaves me confused about Cultivation). But it seems it may have been the duties of the Heralds to hold back Odium, so it makes me wonder what Honor / The Almighty's purpose is. If he really did die in the present, in between Dalinar's visions and not previously, thousands of years ago, that has some some pretty heavy implications. I don't know if we know what his purpose was just yet, but it must have been something important, and I'm dreading to see the consequences. Also, I'm not sure if I meant to say "Dawnblades" or not, I may have just read Darnshards and re-arranged the wording in my head somehow So to prevent further confusion, there are two types of blades. Honorblades and Shardblades? I have some other questions about the magic system, which it seems - from this book alone at least - we don't really know much about, but again I've seen people on here with a seemingly in depth knowledge of things I don't think were revealed in this book. Those are questions for another time though, perhaps another thread. It seems I missed quite a lot of things on my first reading. There were many instances of characters I didn't understand but I just wrote them off until I could hear further details - which never happened lol. I'm also not sure if I just wasn't paying enough attention but I don't remember hearing the names of more than a couple of the Heralds. Maybe it was in the Prelude, I'm not sure, but where do we know all these names from, as well as how to identify them based off their actions? Even if the names had appeared in the book, I don't think we've heard much about any of them, other than people using their names as curse words or in prayers. I like them as well. They have an air of mystery about them and they definitely don't seem like a crazy evil force of destruction. Here's hoping something good happens with them! Yea I knew about him visiting the Old Magic. I guess what I'm saying is throughout the whole book I liked him in general. He seems like a good person, different than the Alethi princes, actually caring about people. And then out of nowhere he is shown to be behind these brutal murders. If it were just that I could probably forgive him and hope he manages to make some good come out of it, but after seeing that he wants Dalinar killed, I don't think I like him anymore. Wanting one of the only honorable Alethi princes dead, when he knows he is trying to unite the rest of the princes. I feel like if he really wanted to unite the world, he should at least seek out an alliance with Dalinar and the Alethi kingdom first. So I can't help but think now that Taravangian will end up being a force of destruction, with him thinking he is doing good, but he is possibly being manipulated by Odium, similar to what Ruin would do. Oh, well that's good. Thinking that the Almighty had died, and with no more Heralds dedicated to their Oath would put thinks in a pretty dire state. I'm curious to see where this leads, if he end up leading people or teaching someone (please be Kaladin) possibly to become their Champion, or if the people either don't believe who he is, or reject him outright from their teachings that the Heralds abandoned them. -
I personally very strongly believe that the Parshendi are *not* the voidbringers, and that they fought on the side of the Radiants and the Heralds. The Parshendi act too honourably towards Dalinar and Kaladin and his crew for me to think they are evil. I believe they were created to be strong warriors during Desolations, and great servents in between, to help rebuild in preparation for the next Desolation.I don't really have any evidence but I have a feeling the Ghostbloods are behind it. I believe they know the Parshendi are a key to surviving the Desolation, and so they are turning the Alethi against them, wiping them out and thinking them the enemy. I don't know why they took credit for the assassination though, don't even really have a guess at it.
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So after finishing the book today I can safely declare it one of my favourite books of all time. It has me so intrigued. But near the end, each chapter just kept adding more questions in my mind. First off I had better say, whole book spoilers ahead. And sorry in advance, this turned out to be a much larger wall of text than I had planned. Oh, and this is my first thread here, I'm hoping to have some great discussions on what looks to be an amazing book series! Ok, now to start: 1. The Heralds 2. The Voidbringers / The Desolation 3. General questions on the last few chapters King Taravangian The Almighty Talenel So, I realize that not everything I said is really a question, so I suppose in those cases I'm just asking people's opinions and thought on what happened. I've browsed these forums briefly before posting but didn't search everything, and after finding threads that lightly touched on some questions I had I figured it'd be better to make my own thread. No doubt while writing this massive Wall'o'text I forgot a lot of other questions I had, things I was thinking about, but this will do for now!
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I have a feeling that they will meet, possibly sparring with either a draw, or Kaladin et all winning and Szeth retreating, but not before Kaladin manages to impact him with some of his ideals. I highly doubt that Kaladin would take Szeth's blade however the situation turns out - it is pointed out that Kaladin doesn't want a Blade, and being such a master of the spear I doubt he'd take a weapon he doesn't know how to use. Not to mention the theory that Szeth has a special blade that grants him his abilities - What use would Kaladin have of that blade, when he has his own abilities through Syl?
