Bloodfalcon

The Horneater Peaks are actually a location I hope we never get to see. Some things are better off left to their quick descriptions and the imagination.

But you were blaming Dalinar's character, not the Alethi. Dalinar was put in a pinch where he either goes ahead with the war, in whatever manner, or he gets assassinated/goes to war with the other Highprinces and the war STILL goes on. There was death in both scenarios. The Alethi are different from Dalinar, however, and it was his character that was under the scrutiny.

Well there you go defeating yourself a bit, Moooog. Dalinar doesn't get any slack for his contextual pressures, but the Parshendii are going to bring back the Voidbringers and it's because they are under pressure from Dalinar? Haha, I think the Parshendii are monsters for unleashing that hell on the world because they are going to be slaughtered. They could still make the decision not to, you know??

HAH! Has anyone read that description yet? Have we seen one that cites Kaladin as the outright leader of the new Knights Radiant??!!

The only way Dalinar is the destroyer is if he experiences a scene similar to "push red button -> die -> world in jeopardy" The fact that he is trying to save the world tells you that. Unless the entire story is a lie, and the plot twist at the end is that literally everybody Dalinar talks to was misled by Odium or something, then he is going to be trying to do the right thing and won't be any more responsible for chaos than those around him. It's not him. That book would be weeeeeeak. It doesn't have to be Mr. T, but it's not Dalinar.

There are probably a lot of redeeming qualities of the Parshendii, but possible allies don't assassinate your buddies. His knowledge makes him the person who can bring back what is the best hope for humanity.

I just like the idea of giving that spren the name "Puppy". Lets not let that go. Ever. He'll have some awesome name that I hope we never ever use. Just Puppy.

The spren would only be locked in its appearance though, right? Just as when specific measurements of the other spren were recorded, those specific things locked. If spren are physical ideas, it may just be emulating what "is known" about it. I don't know.

Yeah and then I made a bad joke.

Ah, but that is what is so great about Urithiru --- it is only ankle-to-waist high!!! No but really, I thought that's just because that is where they were standing when they described it.

Sometimes I think to myself that I too would risk an Everstorm to drink the day away for thousands of years like (possibly) Jezrien.

Haha, but they are enjoying those benefits in the story, and have been for several thousand years.

They are called Crypples. Odium take my soul.

Thanks, now I can get my head right. We have to get while the gettin's good. He's only going to be stupid for a little while, so we need to call him a puppyspren while we can.

I thought Wyndle was not stupid because he was sent, whereas the others were more random. Maybe I just decided I liked a theory I heard along the way...

It would be so awesome if the lines on the binding charts were indications of the surges that each Herald had. Don't think that is the case, but it would be really cool if they had powers connected to many of the Orders. Beyond that, I can only think they may just have monumentally powerful versions of the powers normal KR have. I agree though, hoser, it looks like there should be more. Being immortal is kind of a plus though.

Yeah, we don't know much, but I'm sure we'll get more in WoR. Lots of guesses that the Honorblades provide some of the powers. There isn't much to go on that is concrete other than guesses at which minor characters they might be. Asha'man Logain has the theory from the book correct, but on top of that there have been many references, even some in the new chapters, that have hinted that what we know of the Heralds may be edited by bias historians aka Hierocracy.

Kaladin knows that Rock wants a set of Shardplate and Blade really badly. Rock mentioned he would basically be king of the Horneaters if he were to receive them. I think that's what Kaladin would do with them if he received a pair, and for that reason I hope he never does, because I think we would lose Rock to the mountains for a couple books

This was a great post and I am quoting it to both revive this topic and bring a great collection of information to the front of conversation again on any Urithiru questions. Honestly, I didn't read the last two pages of this thread, but I did want to make a few points on this subject while it's on my mind. More evidence of being able to get there easily is the Radiant in Dalinar's vision telling him to come to Urithiru if he felt like training. The person Dalinar was living through was basically a peasant. I don't think the Radiant would have suggested it if it took some outrageous fee, or was inaccessible except through entering Shadesmar. The Oathgates you suggested would work, especially with their catchy names, but I think they'd have been hinted at somehow. I have one more bit to add, and that is to say that we should take any information from the visions with some hesitance. The Radiant tells Dalinar what year it is, and Dalinar doesn't even understand the system of dating (there may be multiple meanings to this, but I'm referring to the one that involves calendars). That being said, when one of the visions mentions something being to the west, I don't think we can assume that directional terms are the same either. It is a pretty weak argument, yes, but it is possible the directions got mixed up as easily as the years. I would favor the theory that the land of Roshar has shifted constantly since the time of the visions, but I think I recall a WoB that negates that.... I'll try to find it. Anyway, I have no clue where Urithiru is, nor do I really care; if they find it somewhere completely unseen by readers or in another realm or planet somehow, there is no use guessing. and if they find it on Roshar, it will likely be one of the cities we know of, and at that point it is not really all that special. The only exciting places we could guess at would be the Shattered Plains or Shinovar, as the SP would need to be cleaned or transformed back into the city it was. Urithiru in Shinovar would need to be rediscovered by the vast majority of the world, and the secret would be out. That is not to say that the other locations mentioned above wouldn't be exciting, it just doesn't leave us a lot to theorize over, so I'm just waiting. I say lets let Jasnah get really powerful over 2 more books, then when we have all the KR together, she goes and Soulcasts the entire purelake to air, and the city is at the bottom. It could be that crazy.

I will probably rage quit the book for a solid hour if I see anything named a Cultivationspren. It's such a yucky sounding term and I hate it.

Haha, no! My post was to say that I really can see that POV being fine. The goals vs. methods debate isn't limited to fantasy characters, and it's also the reason I'm not a big Szeth person even though the arguments are so similar.

Dalinar has two potential destinations: One is death via the journey of directness. The other, he believes, is unity for a nation and preservation of the planet by slowly turning around a bunch of knuckleheads. It's an all or nothing scenario, but I suppose if you decide the context doesn't determine his merit - to each his own.

Cowardice is not an excuse to kill, especially when it is over a belief. He has an opportunity as well as the ability to change the outcome. Even if you believe that about Szeth - that he will die if he doesn't do it - it put him in the same boat as Dalinar except Dalinar actually can't do anything. If he tried to end things outright, nobody would follow. Szeth could stop it and die. Dalinar can only die.

That must be something wrong with my browser or something then. I checked it again literally right before I posted that response.

Honor is a different reason entirely. To sacrifice something of your own when you have the ability to solve the problem is a much different scenario. Someone just recently made a post that I completely identified with. Szeth seems to have the most selfish motivation for slaughtering others. Unless Brandon shows us that his decisions are being hindered - like, impossible to physically to carry them out - then all of the reasoning he has given so far has been for his own benefit. It is a spiritual one, but his decision nonetheless.