TwistedMisting

As far as I can tell Gavilar was part of some kind of secret society. Possibly the same one that Amaram is part of. Maybe this organisation also included Taravangian (although I believe his work based around the Diagram is independent and not known of by Gavilar or any other associates) Dalinar and Jasnah were  not part of this organisation and both of them have tried to stop the everstorm from coming, while Gavilar and Amaram were trying to cause a new desolation.

My personal theory is that the spren are involved in making plate. We see that modern shardbearers have to place a gemstone in a shardblade in order to bond it. Well my theory is that modern plate has gems inserted to make them work, but that this wasn't necessary when the original Radiants used their plate. For me, the difference in how plate functions in Roshar's present compared to how it seems to function in Dalinar's visions, says that this is more than a fabrial. It must be a creation of the spren.

The only hole in this (as far as I can see) is that our nascent Radiants don't hear screams when they wear or touch plate.

I'd say Adolin/Shallan is lighthearted rather than shallow, but that's a matter of perspective I guess. Shallan really needs to leave the I'm-so-much-smarted-than-anybody-else attitude she has developed and realize there are different kinds of smartness. She'd never known how to handle to the situation with the singing Parshendi, because she has the mind of a scholar just like how Adolin has the mind of a warrior and isn't interested in moss and the likes.  One is not better than the other, they are just different.

 

 

 

I don't agree that she's thinking herself more intelligent than Adolin. When they're in the winehouse and she's talking about chasmfiends Adolin quips 'I'm kind of useless at anything that doesn't involve someone getting stabbed' but later she responds 'you probably don't see the problem because you don't have the proper facts' (pg 573 UK hardback) she acknowledges that his ignorance on the subject is not a reflection on his intelligence, but on the way he's been educated. When Adolin leaves he reflects to himself that she doesn't make him feel stupid.

I think Kaladin became dark because of Odium's influence. Odium probably used Kaladin's hatred towards Amaram and the other lighteyes so that Kaladin will make a terrible decision and make him loose his powers.

 

I think Odium also influence Adolin into killing Sadeas because of Adolin's hatred. Adolin was on his way to becoming a Knight Radiant (it was evident when he started to feel disgust while he slaughtered the chanting parshendi.) I think Adolin will turned darker in the third book because of his recent actions.

 

I also suspect that Odium would start influencing Shallan as well into hating Kaladin since Kaladin murdered Helaran...

 

When the Knight Radiants feel hatred towards someone, I think they will become open to Odium's influence. Like Ruin influencing the protagonists in Mistborn triology..

I think  you've got good points there. The only one I disagree with is Adolin. The big theory at the moment is that he's going to end up a Skybreaker. This is the order that belongs to Nalan, Darkness, the former Herald who goes around killing nascent surgebinders. There's also a comment from Syl at one point in the books where she says something like 'you shouldn't be like this, you're not a Skybreaker' to Kaladin when he's obsessing over Amaram not getting justice ( sorry don't have time to find the exact quote right now).

So it would seem that the Skybreakers had a big theme of justice, just as Windrunners are tied to protection, Lightweavers to truth, Edgedancers to remembrance etc. My take on Adolin's killing of Sadeas is that it is his Skybreaker nature coming through, imposing harsh (or unilateral) justice.

I think that there no honor problem here. "I will not want the woman of my friend" don't look a ideal to me.

 

This will be more about don't be a bad friend or something. 

 

We know too few, like you said, we don't know how Brandon will play this card, amd I sincerely hope that this don't turn in "twilight problem" I already had to much of a love triangle where the characters SHINE =)

you make a fair point: Just because it's not a good thing to do, doesn't mean he'd necessarily be breaking any of his oaths as a Windrunner.

I very much doubt Brandon would turn this into a 'twilight problem', to be honest he's too good a writer, and the love triangle in Twilight was the most forced I've ever encountered. Seriously, how many times does the girl turn the werewolf down and he just keeps on repeating 'oh but you love me you just don't know it yet'. Jeez. I really can't see Stormlight descending into that pointless drivel!

I'll admit I only just finished reading WoR today, so I haven't really had time to look at the new names of all the surges. I still know them by the old terminology.

I haven't read the whole thread but I'll stick my two pennies' worth in here anyway. I definitely caught hints of some feeling between Shallan and Kaladin so it's possible we could have a love triangle in the making. However, we're only two books in and a hell of a lot could happen. Any one of the three could get killed off, for one. Perhaps Shallan marries Adolin, he gets killed and once she's finished grieving she falls for Kaladin (as one example)

Kaladin definitely has feelings for her. I doubt that he'd act on them due to his bond with Syl and what happens when he betrays his honour.

 

 I'd hazard a guess at connection/joining which is a nice opposite to division, but that skirts a little too close to the pressure surge ability to stick things together.

 

 

I got mine a couple of hours ago. I also lack the front and endpages, which is slightly disappointing. I'm just wildly happy to finally be reading it!

Ok, just updating this to add that I got royally pranked yesterday. WoR is pre-ordered on my partner's Amazon account. So he got the email saying it had been dispatched and changed the text to say it was delayed then forwarded it to me. All evidence that it was really a dispatch confirmation was removed from the email. So he forwarded what looked like a legitimate Amazon email. He got me. Evil man. It was a really good prank though!

I've had an email from Amazon.co.uk today saying that delivery has been delayed as the book is not in stock. Estimated delivery is now 13th March! Has anyone else been told this? How can they have a 'preorder' option and then not actually stock the book in time for release? I'm annoyed, I think I'll be cancelling my preorder and just buying it in Waterstone's!

I just saw Frozen for the first time last week, it's currently my son's favourite movie (alongside Star Wars IV). I found that 'Do you want to build a snowman' really choked me up! This poor girl's confusion and desperation to have a relationship with her sister, her loneliness and that need to know why things changed really hit me quite hard.

Personally I love that they really kind of smashed up the traditional Disney trope where prince and princess meet, barely speak and then get married and live happily ever after. It's like the movie is injecting some reality into the movie version of true love. I especially love when Kristoff is so shocked that Ana got engaged to a man she'd just met that day and starts questioning her about Hans.

I didn't have a problem with Olaf. But then I guess I got the sentiment straight away, as at the beginning of the movie, Elsa makes a snowman and says 'My name is Olaf, I like warm hugs'. Olaf looks exactly like that snowman and introduces himself in the same way when he meets Ana and Kristoff. And I giggled at 'put me in summer and I'll be a ... HAPPY SNOWMAN!'

I agree, it was utterly predictable and jam packed with stereotypes, even down to prophecy. I think that's why I love the whole twisted prophecy thing in Mistborn, because the whole prophesied hero trope is so overdone in fantasy. Generally badly done as in WFR!

1) Rock will die

2) Teft will betray or disappoint Kaladin

3) Moash will acquire shards

4) Adolin will bond a spren and become a Skybreaker

5) Shallan will fall for Renarin, but he will die leaving her heartbroken

6) Szeth will break his honour and betray the holder of his oathstone

7) Shallan will find out how to get to Urithuru, but not actually get there before the book ends

8) Kaladin will forgive Amaram and they'll become best friends before falling in love

9) Drehy will kill Amaram because he loves Kaladin

10) Shallan will learn to fight with her shardblade. She'll be trained either by Kaladin or Adolin.

I had a hard time thinking of more after number 7!

At least you guys will get it tomorrow! I'm not in the US, so I've got to wait till Thursday. I'll be steering clear of 17th Shard and Tor to avoid spoiling anything I haven't already spoilt by reading the pre-release chapters!

Sounds good to me, I've been thinking I'll have to steer clear of 17th shard and Tor for a while as I'm not getting my copy till Thurday.

Hmm, I read Wizard's First Rule because my then boyfriend gave it to me for my birthday. I struggled through it, gritting my teeth at such inspired dialogue as 'You're my friend aren't you Kahlan?' (seriously, is he NINE?!). At the end, I for some reason thought that maybe I was being too harsh and read the second book in case it got better. Big mistake. I've not bothered with any of the others.

Oh, and when you give a copy of Mistborn: The Final Empire as your secret santa gift.

When you get excited (or shocked) at the sight of a lady's ungloved left hand.

I forgot to keep an eye out for anyone in a black military outfit in Sadeas's camp. :-( but thinking about Darnkness, I also wonder if that is who Hoid is avoiding.

 

Hoid is avoiding the 17th shard, and someone from the world of Yolen. A dragon. I'd probably want to avoid dragons as well.

I actually don't believe the war is justifiable, but within the context of Alethi culture, I can understand why they did it. After all, their entire culture glorifies war. And not even a 'just' war. Just war for the sake of it. This is undoubtedly a reprehensible attitude. However, we have to see that Dalinar is trying to change this. In his conversation with one of the highprinces, he points out that this isn't a game. The other highprince quotes the Sunmaker, saying that it is a game, with real lives the pieces (can't quote exactly off the top of my head)

I find that attitude really callous. And I pity Dalinar, as he's trying to refute a deeply ingrained idea, which is in many ways the very soul of his nation's culture. His actions are completely contrary to his nation's values. No wonder he's having such trouble figuring out how to do this. I don't think I even know how one would go about it.

Tehol Beddict and his manservant, Bugg. Malazan Book of the Fallen.

 

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Tehol and Bugg are brilliant. They made me laugh so much the first time I read them.

I get the point, I really do. I guess I just view him slightly differently. I see him as someone who is trying to change himself and the society he lives in. However, we see a few times in WoK that he doesn't foresee the consequences of his actions. he's just not bright enough to realise. So I think of him as someone who's trying to do the right thing, but doesn't always see that there could be negative results to his actions. I don't see him as ill intentioned or evil as such. Just bumbling.

Thanks, so order 8 have the unknown surge then. And the surges come full circle so order 10 shares one with order 1.