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The 8 smokers came up from there being 9 power roles, (8 + original smoker) and so that leaves another 7 normal villagers without roles, who if all got gifted smokers would be a total of 8 smokers I’ve expressed my problems with that number, I think there may be more than 8, as there’s no way to verify thug or Lurcher until someone doesn’t die, ie, only 1 kill during Night or something like that.

Nah, it’s good, there’s nothing really to go on. Me being nice isn’t any worse than other options. I wasn’t trying to guilt-trip, promise : )

Like, I suppose I can get that, but part of me is like, “being helpful is a crime?” As for all the vibe votes, that’s fair, we don’t have much to go on otherwise

He never said, “max smokers” but he pretty much did. He said that if 7 smokers were given after removals, and then says there must not have been any removals. I’m pointing out that the Elims may have removed roles, and only gifted 7 smokers, we don’t know if they gifted the maximum amount of smokers. He’s using the existence of 7 added smokers to mean we got gifted max Elims, with all nine power roles staying or being stolen. We have no way of knowing they all exist. This is based on the assumption that the max amount of smokers was gifted, which I’m calling him out on. I will say, this sounds like and Elim protecting and Elim. But I’d like to hear your response before making judgements Edit: My vote has been discussed, I think the consensus was that the Soother soothed me to prove that they were the soother. The conversation was in Night 1, if you want to check that out

So I’m assuming you’re using the coinshot as an example and not just assuming they stole the coinshot. The problem is that there’s a lot of role combinations they could’ve stolen or removed. Also, we don’t know if they actually gifted max smoker’s, we could be missing roles and don’t know it yet. So this is giving E!lean to me. There’s a lot of assumptions that I don’t think have basis

So it basically comes down to whether or not we have a V!tineye or or E!tineye. And either way there’s suspicioun. With Elim, one of them is Elim, with V!, it’s pretty much just reasoning. Im hoping that the seeker found something and is telling people about it. Because that’s kind of where we’re at. Edit: I’ve probably PMed more than half the people here, but I’ll go do some more

Yeah, I just looked and the Tineye is a Night action… so whoever made it did it then. They were 75% right, at least(I’m counting myself) I have a V!lean on Stick, and that would mean the Tineye got pretty much that entire thing correct. I’m not sure if this means the seeker found them, or that was just reading. If the seeker found the Tineye, that’s a good way of sharing the seeker info, without telling the Elims who the seeker is. If it’s just from analysis, that’s good analysis Actually, the seeker couldn’t have, it’s a night action as well, so they wouldn’t know what their bronze picked up until today. So they couldn’t have used Seeker info in there.

Okay, I was going through the previous Day/Night, and I noticed that Alvron hasn’t said anything in the threads about his opinions, who he thinks is an Elim, nor has he done any theorizing. This may just be the way he plays, I’ve sent him a PM about it, but for now: Alvron

So, I always interpreted the son of tanavast thing as being figurative, showing that he stood for the same things as him. I wouldn’t say he has a cult, not any more than Dalinar or Shallan or Adolin would have. But otherwise yeah, pretty much

Okay, I’m assuming the spoiler box is the Tineye message. The part about Fura is right. I was wrong about him, I’m sorry. Also, who do we think killed who? Did the Coinshot kill Fura? Or Redeemed? Which one did the Elims kill. Right now, I don’t know if we know enough to tell

You see, that just results in an “I know A, but you’d know I know A, so you’d choose B, and I’d know that you’d… etc” so this kinda leads nowhere. Because of the smokers it highly unlikely that there’s a E!seeker, e!rioter, or e!soother.

Which means we can leave ourselves open to rioting/soothing during the day and not to the seeker, open to both seeker and rioter/soother or neither. Depending on if/when we use our copper cloud

Granted, every single person in the world name has just been changed to match yours, and they all start making candy, but you can’t eat it as they use toxic ingredients. I wish for a perpendicularity to open in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Edit: ninja’d I see. @Ookla the Seas

Yeah, my first game was the Andor QF game, so last game was my first. As for you not understanding my reasoning, that’s fine and expected. I’m not trying to convince you you’re an Elim, if that makes sense. Yeah, he claimed rioter to me. While lying itself doesn’t necessarily mean E!Fura, he persisted in lying to me, defending his role in PMs. Considering that, (as far as I know) he’s claimed different roles to different people, why would I be the one he tells the truth to?

I don’t think she could’ve, the numbers don’t make sense. If she rioted Araris,TuO, Fura or Alvron, her vote would’ve been negated, turning her side into 3, and then 4 after the vote moved, leaving it at a 4 to 3. Which doesn’t match the number. Also, for those who think I’m overreacting against Fura, the problem I have is that he continued lying. V!Fura after testing my reactions or whatever he was doing, has no reason to keep lying to me.

Yeah, poking and lying in PMs can make sense, I did that myself in a past game, but after confronting him and being like “there’s no way your a rioter” Fura still continued to say he was. His lie has been found out, there’s not reason to keep saying it. That means he’s trying to hide his role and possibly his alignment. So I don’t think that’s the case. There is a possibility I’m over-reacting. But, in the world where Fura is an Elim. Claiming a rioter in a game filled with smokers makes sense, as it’s easy to disguise that you didn’t do anything to the smokers interfering. And that’s what he did. He claimed to be a rioter, and then claimed to riot a smoker. While there might be other reasons other than being an Elim. That seems most likely to me. In the off chance Fura is just trying to hide an important role like Coinshot or Seeker or Mistborn or perhaps Lurcher, the easiest way for him to prevent that from coming out would be to just tell me when I asked him in PM, not continue with this until I bring it up here.

This probably happened because we all didn’t use our copperclouds. As for the double-post, I accidentally posted In here what I meant to PM to you. I did delete it once I realized. However, it doesn’t matter now because what it was about was some questioning you on your status as a “rioter” For clarification, Fura told me he was a Rioter, but then later said he rioted a smoker, and he knew that after reset, but before DrakeMarshal’s write-up. Which doesn’t make sense in the timeline of events. Then, when I pushed him about how if he was a rioter, how the votes changed the outcome, where he then suggested that the Elims stole the rioter and added another just to cause a conversion like the one we had to happen. This would also be very unlikely as the Elims added a lot of smokers, so stealing the rioter doesn’t make sense. If I could vote Fura I would, but it’s Night Edit: Basically, Fura lied to me about being a rioter. So I think he’s an Elim Edit 2: if Fura was a rioter, there would(n’t) be discrepancies in the votes and the people since he supposedly rioted a smoker Edit 3: there wouldn’t be discrepancies, sorry. Wow I’m editing this a lot, but since no one is posting I kinda have to if I want to add the information

Thoughts on Cannibalism? I was one of the Main contributors. thats what I’m referring to

So… if you quote this like I just did, the meaning changes…. Quite a bit

Huh, so either Fura’s vote didnt count or Stick won the flip. Edit: I probably should’ve actually read the write-up first

I’m also on mobile but I’ll try, it’ll take a bit though for me to scroll through it all Edit: okay, I think this is it, I took ookla the Wallfacer’s count form earlier and updated it. I’m still keeping my vote on him for now TJ (1): Storm Stick (2): Araris, TUO Fura (1): Mippo/Story Araris (4): Jo, TJ, Fura, ookla the redeemed Mippo (1): Honour's Ghost Ookla the Broken (1): doc ookla the Wallfacer (1): ookla the broken(IHAt)

The vibes are completely fair. Last game I was in my vibes were all over the place, so I can understand the vote. Also, ties just make it so that the rioter and soother have control of the votes, they’re not random like usual. Sorry, but you not knowing this despite claiming to be a smoker makes me think you’re an Elim being smoked by another Elim. Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re asking? Until you explain that, I’ll have to move my vote to you. Ookla the Wallfacer

We can’t, we can choose to not smoke someone else, but we ourselves are automatically smoked. As for the Elims, they’ll smoke their buddies, and if someone’s a smoker is being smoked I believe the seeker would receive the same message, I think.

I’m a smoker as well everyone, if we have 8 smokers… two of which are elim, that means that the seeker is going to have a rough time. Half the people are smoked, and the Elim smokers will probably smoke their buddies. Meaning that if none of us smoke anyone else, the seeker can only see about 6 people

Okay, yeah, they’ve definitely flooded us with smokers. Let the seeker do their thing. And hope they’re village, which so far seems likely. edit: I forgot my reasoning: 6 smokers is way to many. If there’s five Elims, all of them claiming smoker this early is so suspicious and a really bad idea as if they get caught using any other ability ( thug or something) than they’re instantly outed