Qianweilian

56 minutes ago, Myst said:

Do I need to point out again that both my premises have been proven wrong?

That's like, amateurishly foolish. (No offense) You should see how much I trusted Doc in QF78. I'm the professional at being foolish.

29 minutes ago, Myst said:

What’s that mean?

I’ll have you know my reasoning for Xino was sound(I’ll share specifics— wait, I already revealed who was on Nalthis C1, I’m fine.)

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Okay. So I assumed that because of M!Elim coordination, there’d be no reason for 2 meta Elims to be on the same shardworld. That meant there was one on Nalthis, but if I just crossed everyone there off I had a higher chance of hitting a M!elim.

That meant my pool of people was reduced to:

Qian, Coder, Hopper, TJ, Araris, Xino, Cad, Lettuce, Kit Kat, and Fallen.

I then crossed off Lettuce and Kit Kat for newbie status. Then Cad, Hopper and Miss simply for not being online during C1(I was looking for M!elim coordination)

that Left Qian, Coder, TJ, Araris and Xino.

I crossed Qian off because of N0 indecision thing(I thought that a M!elim would’ve made their decision by then) and Coder because he was getting exed. That left Xino, TJ, and Araris.

Id noticed Xino lurking a lot during N0 but he never said anything, and when I did some slight profile stalking I could tell he had been online and was viewing the thread. And then I had good vibes of TJ and Araris during C1, so I went for Xino

*Note that Wahr’s slip was in the back of mind for this, as much as I tried to ignore it.

**Also yes, both of my assumptions have been proven wrong. (coco and Ver both being on Nalthis, and Qian not making his decision till later.

 

I'm just saying that you were smart, but got unlucky. Your reasoning was sound, but it really did make you look like a meta elim. (even though I knew otherwise)

4 minutes ago, Myst said:

Idk about everyone else, but mine was contingent on him giving me investiture first(he had to give me investiture c1, and then we’d start giving each other investiture c2 onwards)

So that’s y’all’s fault

That's smart. If only you weren't a coinshot that killed a pseudoelim cycle one...

43 minutes ago, Myst said:

Lol

well, as you know, Striker made deals with everyone about trading investiture 

I'm surprised so many people acquiesced. 

19 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I think I’m fine with a Lettuce exe since no one seemed to want to bite on my Araris vote.

7 minutes ago, Myst said:

C1 was:

Ver, Myst, Striker, Coco, Star, Mippo, Twin, Hoid, and Araris

(there could be more people who didn’t claim in doc. Like Araris)

Someone's trying to get this thread back on track. I can't have that...

7 minutes ago, Myst said:

Yes

It's weird, I expected more Selish. It's a very powerful and useful protection.

11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

As the resident old-grouch-guy-on-porch, I’m pretty much immune to taunts, but clutter goes against my aesthetic. All I want to do is sit back and hear the lamentations of my enemies, but instead all the ghosts (which don’t exist btw) are making a racket..

I mean, canonically we're just banned. Maybe we made alt accounts.

9 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

If anyone was wondering why dead players normally aren't allowed to talk in the thread, this is why .

What, you don't like me taunting you? There's also the fact that a lot of GMs give spoilers in the dead doc, which might be a better reason.

43 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

So actually we were both on the secret elim exclusive shardworld for the entire game and the imposter in the Nalthis doc was not me

It's Yolen. It gives you the ability to summon dragons, which look cool, but don't actually do anything.

3 hours ago, |TJ| said:

Could you tell us your Shardworld locations?

No.

3 hours ago, Myst said:

All I know is that she was on Nalthis the for the first two cycles

Was Nalthis just a party this game?

43 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

But then, Star's randomised kill did not go through, which clearly means that Star was NOT on Sel and Qian was most definitely on Sel.

Afaik both players being on Sel, or even taking actions without a target, is irrelevant to both Sel's protection and investiture requirements.

40 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

The question is, how did Qian kill Star?

I'll tell you when the game ends.

41 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Where was Qian staying in C1?

Good question. (I'll tell you when the game ends)

34 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

(but also you could have converted me smh, you didn't have to kill me .-. )

Yeah, and what would you have done when you found out that Verdance made me a coinshot? Actually, because the GMs couldn't find a pinch hitter, they allowed me to submit Verdance's action.

Also, I got a GM PM message meant for you, funnily enough. I thought Verdance had made me a coinshot, but it turns out it was meant for you. The GMs only realized/told me after Verdance died, but luckily, the GMs let us retcon the previous cycle's actions, having me instead submit the kill and Verdance making me a coinshot, as I certainly would've acted differently with correct information, and it made no difference to anyone other than me.

9 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

@Qianweilian I must admit I am somewhat disappointed to have just checked my PMs and found nothing

Ah, well you can't expect to get bailed out of certain defeat before the eliminators every game, can you?

5 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

But neither of them said much…most of the information I got about Lettuce was from TJ…very naughty of him, sharing so much

Made TJ an easy to decide nk. As soon as he revealed he was pseudo IM, boom. Dead. TJ, if you're reading this, know you were killed pretty much entirely because you were far too dangerous to the elim team.

5 hours ago, Myst said:

Highly doubt that. Unless it was just for purposes of “having” the PM. 

I mean, some people really do like to PM and chat with everyone. Coco might be one of them. I only had PMs with you, Myst, Striker, and Xino. Pretty much all of those fell silent after the first couple cycles.

I wonder what the lore is around me still being able to post. Maybe I made an alt account, but still got locked out of the Shard's infrastructure?

1 hour ago, Myst said:

I know nothing about the comics. So it’d better be the movies

Tbh I don't know much either.

1 hour ago, Kit_Kat said:

Wait, isn't Myst dead in the Metagame, or am I confusing things?

Myst is dead in the metagame and the (now defunct) pseudogame. As much as it would be funny to say someone alive is a meta elim, regardless of whether I was lying or not, I very much do not trust that the shard, particularly the se subforum, does not have the ability to determine the name of my firstborn child from some offhand comment.

Edit: Despite the fact that I do not have any children, some people just might be able to figure out what I would name them if I do ever have any.

4 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Speaking of the conversion, I doubt Qian left it in xino’s hands, so we can be reasonably certain that someone has been converted by now. It may be worth holding further thoughts on the topic so as to not help the elims pick a NK target, so I’ll leave off further speculation for now.

Admittedly I feel like it would be obvious I already submitted the conversion with the hydra quote.

3 hours ago, Myst said:

If it’s Xino I am so saying “I told you so” 

It's not xino, actually, it's you, Myst.

2 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

I don’t think the pseudogame needed to be balanced. It just needed to have the potential to reveal the meta-elims if they pursued their side of the bet too aggressively (which ended up happening).

TUM put several coinshots in the game and let several people make even more. I remember him saying somewhere that the pseudogame should end before the meta game. Now, I realize why.

1 hour ago, coco.pudding said:

Hail hydra much?

perhaps

1 hour ago, Myst said:

We’re in the MCU? 

*gasp*

I hope it’s a Captain America Movie.

I mean, it could be the comics.

1 hour ago, Myst said:

edit: also, shouldn’t you know?

You're implying that coco isn't lying and isn't—in fact—the boss of the whole operation.

24 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

If we’re in the MCU then I’m probably the Stan Lee cameo yelling at some kid.

Stan Lee lynching some kid is certainly a interesting thing to imagine.

3 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

I didn't give you that many conversions

No, but "Cut off one head, one more shall take its place" doesn't have the same ring to it.

"Cut off one head, two more shall take its place"

1 minute ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

Cycle closed!

1 minute ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Cycle closed

Silly ninjas

8 hours ago, Myst said:

I’d believe that except that not only is the pseudo game over and it mostly doesn’t matter who was alive/dead anymore. In the write-up it has just the people who’re alive this cycle. Like, you no longer have to worry about the pseudo game, this is as simple as it gets now. 

No, hah, I'm telling the truth. I did get confused. So did you, as you had to change meta to pseudo in your message.

"I didn't think it would end this way."

"End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path, one that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass, and then you see it."

"What? Gandalf? See what?"

"White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise."

"Well, that isn't so bad."

"No. No, it isn't."

6 hours ago, Myst said:

You do realize every single person she mentioned is dead right? That’s why she chose them.

I...uh...didn't realize that actually. The pseudogame/meta game is messing me up.

6 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said:

That Information is not supposed to be public, it was purely my mistake to share it and TUM asked both of us to edit our messages to remove that information

Oh, sorry I didn't get that. Do you want me to go back and edit it now?

4 hours ago, Myst said:

Again, just have both Ver and Coco give you investiture and you’re going to get at least 2

Why would the elims have given me investiture?

2 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Hey me too!

Waitup, legitimately why does Wian not have a visible role in the AfterPseudo?

I assume because I was still alive in the pseudogame, along with Divergent, mippo, and Araris, who also don't have revealed pseudoroles.

1 hour ago, coco.pudding said:

Hey, I’m just being helpful and clarifying like a good little dead girl 

A dead elim murderer girl... Actually, wait, no, not murderer, you just banned people from the shard. Even worse!

1 hour ago, coco.pudding said:

Sure I’d love to!

The other elims are TJ, Coder, and CadCom. Hope that helps

Three other elims would pretty much be an loss right? Would it even be possible to win with that ratio?

1 hour ago, coco.pudding said:

Mm, no actually Hopper’s the one we converted

I doubt the mentioned names will be helpful, as they're probably just random. No idea if she's lying or (partially) telling the truth and appearing to be lying.

Probably does tell us that the elims have used their conversion, which we already guessed, but nice to have (mostly) confirmed.

1 minute ago, Myst said:

I believe I have it somewhere in a PM I had with Striker about how the investiture requirements only apply to things that need investiture. But even if I’m remembering wrong. Both Ver and Coco were on Sel, it wouldn’t have been hard for them to give you investiture. I’ll go check the PM and edit in the info

I tried, but the GMs confirmed to me that pretty much all actions, except for one I forgot, required investiture to actualize, and the defense against actions applied to even those also on Sel.

3 hours ago, |TJ| said:

I find Qian's survival from Star's shot suspicious and feel like they've hidden on Sel the whole game. They also voted for Hoid over Coco last cycle early on when it wasn't clear who unanimous the coco vote would be. 

The reason I first went to Sel is because I picked it at random, because I was panicked after forgetting when rollover was. Wahr proved this be telling us that I hadn't submitted a shardworld until a couple hours before rollover. Wahr edited his message so you can't see it, but it's in the quote I made of it.

I decided to stay at Sel after cycle one revealed a coinshot had killed another coinshot. As I haven't played a game with coinshots before, I was scared of being night killed. This was exacerbated when Hoid revealed I would have been targeted by the pseudo elims had I not been on Sel. It seemed prudent.

I also wouldn't have been able to get investiture to kill Star, as Sel prohibited me from using the action of my role as a shard to get investiture, and stopped someone from giving me investiture as well.

3 hours ago, |TJ| said:

They also voted for Hoid over Coco last cycle early on when it wasn't clear who unanimous the coco vote would be. 

I will mention I did make clear my suspicion of Coco.

2 hours ago, Myst said:

Though I suppose that we’ll soon be in a situation like that QF where it was just Doc. Hmm

That was such a fun game. It was my first, and Doc totally blindsided me, but it was fun.

3 hours ago, Myst said:

After this I think we should exe Qian. I think he was the coinshot. I feel like Twin would’ve gotten a pinch hitter sooner if he was meta elim.

I don't think the lack of a pinch hitter is indicative of anything; Verdance asked for one a week ago and never got one. I just think the GMs are replacing people as pinch hitters become available.

3 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Huh. Well. That was unfortunate.

Qianweilian.

I would like to point out that I was the first to vote for Lettuce, and I adequately explained my point. I, for one, am suspicious of @Divergent among the lettuce voters. switched from mippo to lettuce really soon before rollover, and, if I were elim (which I'm not of course), I would have no guarantee that lettuce would've been exed. (Especially so early in the morning for me)

3 hours ago, Stardust said:

Well, I think it's safe to say whoever killed me is Meta Elim, so if anyone knows a coinshot, they should say something. 

I doubt anyone will unfortunately, as the elims killed TJ pretty soon after he revealed he was pseudo IM. If there is another one, they're probably elim.

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

I believe the way this has gone is - they've been cautious at the start, not converting at first to check if there was a pseudo-IM, then going ahead with it when they though there isn't one, then again NOT converting in the cycle they killed me because I could see who was getting converted and then converted someone again after I died to kill off Star. 

I believe Coco is evil along with a mole from the pseduo-elim doc.

So, yes, I agree. However, I would avoid using "conversion" to mean pseudo GM action as we have an actual conversion in play.

For the mole, I doubt it was Star, for obvious reasons, TJ, because you're hard cleared, or Xino, as he's not really been active. That leaves Slayerman and Lettuce. Of those two, I'd lean towards Hoid being the mole.

I agree Coco is evil.

57 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

We have 12 players, and if the same numbers were used across games, 4 meta-elims left. With a conversion, we are really at 7-5, which means we're kinda hosed. We would need perfect executions every turn for the remainder of the game, which seems hard enough without a conversion taking place.

Honestly, I might lean towards 3 elims left. The pseudogame had the issue of coinshots opening the possibility of an extremely quick end (and probably at least one melim was a coinshot). Assuming TUM predicted that, I think an extra pseudoelim is reasonable. So, I would like to think we have hope. This, combined with the conversion, would put us at 8-4, which is a much better matchup. (although still not great)

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

I'm going to tentatively disagree on Divergent, or at least on his vote switch being alignment indicative. I think the majority of vocal folks wanted to end the pspeudogame sooner rather than later, and it wouldn't make much sense for an elim to out themselves to achieve that inevitable end. Not to mention that it's likely there was enough investiture floating around to do a vote manip without switching votes in the thread.

I mean, that could be true ig. I'm not supposed jazzed about it either though. Probably, at least, worth exeing Hoid or coco first though.

Sorry Lettuce. I guess I was wrong. I don't really love Divergent's switch from mippo to lettuce two hours before rollover though.

Okay, so I've taken another look through the threads and I'm beginning to agree with the sentiment that the elims bet on the pelims. If that's the case, then we should probably attempt to end the pseudogame fairly quickly, to avoid the possibility of an melim coinshot (which they probably have given Verdance's role) wearing down the village and potentially pushing the pseudogame too close for comfort. To that end, Lettuce.