neil the beguiled

26 minutes ago, Archer said:

TJ! We talked about the flipless games! >:(. 

I feel like going 2/3 on exes to start the game should never result in a loss C3. Definitely leaned too far on the balancing imo. We had some ridiculous reads from Stick and Drake that were wasted. I wish the vote hadn't landed on me because those two were great bait if it came down to Contact hunting. 

But gg elims, full credit to ya. 

Re: what I asked TJ: basically threw a lengthy recap of the rules and accidentally said some things in that weren't correct but he didn't catch them. On me for not asking clearer questions 

Neil, why'd you give me Fae first? I was struggling to justify voting for them

I thought she’d be hard to catch. ;_; I only clocked you as contact c2 but oh my gods you tempted fate with the c1 rand.

2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

oh

I had a half-guess that neil/ash might be a possible Informant and kinda took the vote on Archer as encouragement

but ngl a lot of my reads of this game were just missing the mark

anyways TJ I stand in awe of your ability to do rollovers at 3am

I thought I was kinda obv tbh but I didn’t rlly care enough to deal with it because I can play in audacity. Just. It wasn’t great ;_;

RTSTFO

trust

4 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Her first game was as Amber Vulture in AG10. She did very well having been an elim thug. Her admitting panic heart feels genuine to me, given her minimal experience with technical things like AtE. Possible that having fewer teammates could account for that change, but that’s my take atp.

hm. i believe that you believe this but i dont know that i really follow it. idk it feels like theyre playing it kinda safe? ig?

i do like this post from u bc i get ur process i just dont agree w it

3 minutes ago, Archer said:

I guarantee I misspelled it 

Faierie 

Best of luck on your IRL stuff btw

xD. also dw lol i finally. got home so i can get some rest. for 15 hours

@Amanuensis switch plz trust

Just now, Archer said:

Excuse me, I started this fairies trend. Or maybe I plus oned someone. Either way, them only showing up when under pressure is fundamentally a bad look so I'm okay with this

it didnt show on tallybot is why >.> (and im also rllly tire d). @Amannuensis why faerie v? esp talking abt how ytou didnt like their parked vote.

aman is the contact until the nk fails on him :curtain:. its bad idea to sow that seed now :/.  whym i sourt?

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

Idk. I always do them manually, usually working back from the last count

when did archer vote?

oh wwait what-- is tallybot not working?

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Oh I see. Misunderstood that bit.

Fair enough. Your lobbying has been noted. Maybe you can switch to Braids to tie them and we can see if anyone wants to step up or shift.

science?  faerie braids

Just now, Amanuensis said:

Isn’t Stick voting Archer, though 

"until i dont think she is"

<i think shes wrong on archer>

i guess in honesty id prefer a braids elim, of the other baby wagons (kinda hate the vote on raven and like. also dont rlly vibe with their hedy reads and such, though i should probs be leery *of* sart on that vote

edit:

aman to put this clearly i think stick is better than me at werewolf until i dont think she is

2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Just to make sure, it was solely to create a four way tie for maximum pressure. Not because I have any read of you atp.

That’s what I’m saying 

oh i assumed it was bc u saw me lurking earlier LOL. i dont rlly like ties tho. im gonna once again say archer exe is a bad idea but i literally cannot explain why i think this. he doesnt smell. give archer a day

edit:

love wins!!!!!!!!! 🏳️‍🌈">🏳️‍🌈">🏳️‍🌈">🏳️‍🌈">🏳️‍🌈">🏳️‍🌈">🏳️‍🌈">🏳️‍🌈">🏳️‍🌈">

i dont rlly know how to read sart lol. i asked stick for something to sheep that wasnt archer, and i want a vote to go through. which is where im at

2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

ED1T:

Some observations / thoughts:

1. Both Sart voters have not been active for a while. We may want to revisit their votes to figure out the motives / if there’s any merit, in the context of that phase of today.
2. Sart is objectively buddying up with Archer to save them both. Archer is just kind of around, not seemingly invested in the results or pushing any narrative. I can maybe come around to village Sart, but I think Archer looks potentially frozen atm, perhaps making final kill adjustments
3. JNV parked their vote on Neil and bounced. They’re also the kind of player that would kill Kas quick. Good chance this is elim vote indifference combined with genuine business IRL.
4. Stick felt Village, or at least very different than last iteration, early on, but I do wonder if there’s some merit in Sart’s read of her / that her not being put on the immediate backfoot to claim Informant impacted the playstyle shift, but I never feel confident in my reads of her when she’s not in thread so that may be a part of it. As for Drake, I’m mostly just hoping he’s not Village, because I prefer that world over an unnecessary bro tunnel. I’d rather work together but that doesn’t seem possible until I’m dead
5. Faerie who. Talk about a parked vote.
6. Royal really fell off huh

maybe you and drake should just kiss and make up

edit: hm. i kinda think archer's wagon could be pure though. ig max 1 scum on there <aman/drake/stick> speaking of mildly amusing to see aman and drake voting *with* each other uh. huh,

i know why you voted me aman and i get it but also lol. @Amanuensis can you trust me for a day and not vote archer?

12 minutes ago, Stick. said:

Reminder that the insider this time does not know who the contact is 

of course i know how my role works

i still think regardless i would expect stalinposting though >.> idk like. i’m not an archer expert but he seems! okay!

2 hours ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

do we want to take out the insider? i cant remember- also, my vote on neil stays.

yes and also why?

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

One more thing. I retrieved a name from the Insider but I'm not voting them for now. Would rather see how they behave the rest of the cycle. Will probably drop the name before today ends in case they kill me

lol

sure i’ll follow sart

anyways idk uhm. stick im ngl i assume that insider would rather stalinpost than give free villa reads. you could see how when i played it that like. okay sure defended aeo, but i also tried to throw my weight around and shade people and push more than i would otherwise. thus it’s like. eh idk if that’s a maf play yk?

36 minutes ago, Archer said:

Yeah but you'd spent most of your time talking to Bee today. 

My main theory was they don't know the secret elim (Insider? Informant?) so they have to kill obvious villagers. Kas was in that range by the end of it based on his passion. Also, I'm not sure you can accurately guess the Contact C1 anyway? In theory they're uninformed so they could be anyone. 

Thanks for your thoughts! 

I understand how you got to Raven, but for the sake of convenience, would you mind focusing on someone in your POE with a higher post count? ie me or Drake. I'll also accept commentary on Stick or Nigel. Thoughts on the so far, even gut? 

Aman undermines their ability to push me the following cycle with that comment. Whereas you were already setting up an additional target, keeping your options more open. The latter approach reads as more strategic to me. 

I'd be okay voting Aman if it came to it though. Aman, consider yourself voted for in spirit 

Sart entering with a poke vote is a good look for them. As is them reconsidering it. Highly fakeable, but the one time I played with evil them I can remember, they broke that pattern. 

That's... A valid point about Nel tbh. But I also read their mattress story as being super genuine. I give people a lot of credit for having stupid reasons for their behaviour/not preparing reasonable lies to obvious questions. Same principle as my Drake read. 

tbh like why not.

last game implied that it’s probably better for elims to actually use the kill as a scan (for the insider) but the fact that they’re not (or the elim is exactly whoever said kas was the insider c1 probably implies something. idk what but it implies something. probably that they’re gonna try for brute overpower though. in that case it’s uhm. idk kinda futile to (i forgot words now so sentence fragment!)

i still think aman is town atm lol . lolme otherwise but idk. motions vaguely. he’s fine.

mmm explain more on sart? from what i saw last time he’s a bit hard to read so i’ve not rlly bothered except to get annoyed at the comic sans hatred

mildly funny that you say my mattress story is genuine when it’s a lie LOL. uhm. well i guess there’s truth to it but it’s probably safer to say there’s an analogy or metaphor there. though i guess i get the latter bit. idk it’s not something out of my e!range so shrug. (in fact it’s probably more likely in it)

i think i don’t want to vote you but i don’t want to vote stick either but i also am not running on a  lot of sleep 

@Stick.give me a name that isn’t archer for me to sheep a vote

archer

sighs so loudly.

self pres (i’m roleplaying as stick) archer

maybe i just don’t see it because i’m captivated by his swagless charm

can someone like explain plainly the archer reads they have because i don’t get it he’s just a silly guy

13 minutes ago, Stick. said:

I kinda wanna kill both Archer and Drake honestly 

okay

edit: i had a thought but i forgot it so pretend i said something really profound and insightful and also nailing of several wolves

1 hour ago, DrakeMarshall said:

just reviewed the reads people have posted to date

so does everyone lean slight E on Faerie or

hm. true faerie bread  science?

49 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

oh one thing I just remembered

I do think Aman may have been a bit overly generous with earlygame trust reads

maybe that's projecting paranoia but I feel a genuine villager is usually a little more reluctant to throw like 4 people in the 'good for now' bucket just on arrival

so yes that is 1 semi-concrete reason for the Aman read

only if you explain your colorings

otherwise we can just let vague feels be vague feels

aman is town because he hasn’t posted something pingy that makes me want to nail him to a wall. hope that helps. i think the difference between this game and the last with his content has been night and day  

29 minutes ago, Stick. said:

ok that's enough fun let's get rid of this stinky wagon on me haha

what caused this btw, you were explicitly e reading him yesterday

“haha this wagon on me is so stupid haha”

no? i don’t think i was v reading amen b4 but idk if i was scumreading him and if i was i’d really rather not be gotcha’d or something because i’m back at the mattress store

11 minutes ago, Archer said:

*squints*

have some free village cred for being hard committed to a wagon and having put zero thought into how to explain it. E!Drake pushing me would have a plan/argument prepped

My main Stick quibble is idk why they're focussed on Bee. It's too elaborate to be distancing, otherwise I'd call it e-e.

Their stated reason is they want them to engage, but why not spread your poking around? Hit Fae, JNV etc. 

My best guess is stick is worried about Bee's vote, and is trying to engage with them to change their mind. That seems more evil than villagey an agenda to have to me. 

It's possible they're the Contact working from intel, but they're feeling them out, not arguing for their death necessarily. 

 this is kinda stupid but i don’t think a quibble is a good reason to vote when there is active scummy wubbys out there babe. and also stick started it (wrt bee)

8 minutes ago, Stick. said:

archer im voting JNV lol 

and why would my royalbee push be caused by me 'worrying about their vote'? they werent voting anywhere when i pushed them, both today and yesterday 

Edit:

I saw your question btw Neil I’m not ignoring it I’ll respond in a bit 

i don’t remember what i asked so this is fine

3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

anyone care to guess why the elims kill Kas?

seems primarily like a control kill, not a Contact-hunting kill

which is a Decision that not everyone would make

Thank you, I will cherish it.

i killed him because i can’t take another wolf loss with him in xylophone. i don’t think a kas kill really narrows down much imo because who wouldn’t kill kas. maybe bee? but that’s still shrug. docelim!bee kills stick here anyways fmpov so  lol (unless distancing but idt e!stick would interact with e!bee this way ? idk i’m not a stick expert)

4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

While I'm aware that this is something that shouldn't matter and I should probably just take you at face value about it, for some reason this statement feels like a lie to me.

How does one share a wagon?

hop in the waters nice

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

my reasons are... profiling the E team sort of

I don't really have a better way to say it than that

just that I have at least some idea of how elimming in this setup vibes like

edit:

Vote Tally
Stick. (3): Archer, RoyalBeeMage, Sart
Sart (1): neil the beguiled
JNV (1): Stick.
Archer (1): DrakeMarshall
neil the beguiled (1): TheRavenHasLanded

to whom it may concern, I am shamelessly advertising that anyone in my E or E(?) bracket is someone I would vote for over Stick

share a wagon?

1 minute ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

wait what. oops i think i was doing you but also acsadentily did stick

u greened me too tho xD

1 minute ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

i said that because you havnt done much to undermine anyone yet. haven been collecting votes or anything. 

for a red/ yelloe/green i might have to go...

raven/drake/stick/neil/sart/jnv/braids/archer/aman

these are just my gut thinking. no real reason for any of them. 

wait you think stick is town?

Just now, RoyalBeeMage said:

umm. so i have no idea. i might say that you are kind of in the middle. i cant quite get a take on you. i don't know enough yet to make any full claims. this is just getting stressful. if i had to lean to one side or the other def village. you haven't been doing anything yet that i have noticed that's to suspisios. other than saving stick last cycle.

give me more i ask so many questions </3. er but like. try and expand. why am i probs town for wanting toi save stickl. again, i dont care about full claims. leans, gut reads. take my list and arbitrarily assign them red/green/yellow based on your feelings. okay?