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1 minute ago, theSurgeOfPhysics said:

Realizing that if Book 5 ends 10 days after the end of RoW (day of the contest), what part do Shallan and Adolin play? They'll still be traveling in the Cognitive Realm for at least 10 days, and they have no idea what's happening except with Wit and his communications box. They may be the part of the story that reveals a few big twists, investigating what truly happened at the Recreance. 

Thoughts?

I'm hoping they are kept apart tbh.

Adolin is a good guy but he's a terrible influence on Shallan, and vica versa. He indulges all of her BS and doesn't really help her issues with his unconditional support, while she exposes his weaknesses with her behaviour...

I think a Wit+Shallan teamup for book 5 would be great. Imagine how exasperated Wit would be haha.

Jasnah knows her potential and definitely knows about all the stuff she's done, the lies etc. so she needs to assign someone to sort her out, right?

If I'm correct then at least on roshar the only way to bind a shard is with some kind of oath.

So unless you want Odium and Fused to take over the world, there needs to be *some* kind of agreement.

1 hour ago, alder24 said:

It does something similar, but instead of curving the spacetime, Investiture curves all three Realms closer together, like what perpendicularity is doing.

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In our universe, mass and energy curve space. I was wondering if Investiture does the same or something similar

Brandon Sanderson

It does something similar. It draws the three Realms together. So it's got like-- Imagine a gravitational pull piercing Realms. Right? Of kind of--

Questioner

And that's how a perpendicularity works?

Brandon Sanderson

That's not the only way a perpendicularity works, but one surefire way to create a perpendicularity is a massive collection of Investiture in the Cognitive or mostly Physical realm. But Cognitive's weird, doesn't always work the right way. But there are ways to do it that way too.

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Also not every time dilation effect is caused by gravity. Speed is the other reason for it, the faster you are moving the slower the time is passing for you. But in Cosmere you can achieve it also with Investiture.

I like it!

So is there anything else we can deduce from that?

For example, it must take an absolutely massive concentration of investiture to create a perpendicularity.

Also I'm wondering if the warping of air around anti-voidlight has anything to do with this idea.

12 hours ago, alder24 said:

That's what slowing down time is - it's time dilation. Investiture acts like a matter, and slows down time. Stormfather holds a lot of investiture and at that moment he was focusing his essence on Kaladin, pulling him into a vision and slowing down time for him/making him perceive time more slowly. Not like a dream, but like being close to a black hole.

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I was just curious about how time works for worldhoppers.

Brandon Sanderson

So worldhoppers' time is going to pass normally unless they can stay near to large collections of Investiture. They can warp time in the same way that gravity, large masses, can warp time.

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Questioner

Does the dead body of a Shard pull at time and space, thus causing time to pass slower in that place of the cosmere, almost like a black hole?

Brandon Sanderson

It could go either way in the Cosmere, depending. But the answer is yes. A large amount, like a deific amount of Investiture will... any amount of Investiture will cause a bit of time dilation, but the amount you're getting from even a Shardpool is not enough to be noticeable. I mean, it is, you can notice it even on our planet if you take a jet that goes fast enough, so it is noticeable but not relevantly noticeable. We're talking about a slippage of a day or so in a year even off of a Shardpool (don't canonize me on that one, I don't have the actual numbers). But that's what we're talking about. There are are chunks of Investiture of deific nature that can cause amounts of time dilation that would be virtually impossible in our universe, without you becoming one with a black hole. There's a story I want to tell, and I don't know if I'll ever get around to telling it, about an entire society that rises and falls in several seconds of time dilation to everyone else. I want to be able to tell stories like that, and you couldn't do that in our universe, but that's part of the reason we have the Cosmere!

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Jeremy

If vast amounts of Investiture can distort time in a similar manner as a black hole, [...] does that include Shards? Would time dilation be greater on Roshar than on Nalthis?

Brandon Sanderson

No, because the Shard is contained almost entirely in the Spiritual Realm. In the Spiritual Realm, time and distance have no meaning. So, what this means is: Large piles of Investiture that somehow make it into the Cognitive Realm or the Physical Realm are going to cause time dilation, but the Spiritual Realm—where it belongs—it's not going to do that.

That's gonna make some exclamation points raise above the heads of some people.

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Its going to need explaining why this doesn't have a gravitational effect, surely

10 hours ago, teknopathetic said:

We still are not sure if the "unite them" has anything to do with the Stormfather. The Stormfather claims to to have heard the "unite them" voice at all. 

I was thinking about this and wondering if 'unite them' is somehow a message from Adonalsium, and whether a bondsmith has that kind of power to unite shards. 

I mean we started off thinking it meant the Alethi houses, and then all of the humans, and its heading for uniting humans and parshendi, so how far can the meaning of it regress? 

We know from Mistborn that this is somewhat possible - uniting shards (I haven't read mistborn past the original trilogy though).

If I have it right, the future sight might be the single greatest counter to Odium, rather than something that is useful in the day to day life of Roshar. 

Throughout the cosmere future sight disrupts other future sight and infinitely expands the number of possible futures that someone can see, due to two people being able to see each other's possible futures. Todium sees huge numbers of possible futures in RoW. 

I'm thinking if Renarin is among the important human characters, and Rlain is puts himself among the listeners, it would greatly disrupt Todium's ability to use his future sight to manipulate these two populations.

As Renarin and Rlain gain more XP by saying some words, they might be able to further disrupt Todium and make his planning more and more difficult. I'm wondering if future sight may be expanded to be able to deliberately 'plant' false futures for Todium to see.

I've just read up to the end of RoW. It was my first Sanderson experience and I have absolutely loved it.

I would say, though, for others thinking of starting the series, by the time you get to book 3-4, the wider cosmere is referenced more and more and I do feel a bit like I'm missing a huge amount.

I'm currently reading Mistborn (i'm on book 2) since I was getting a bit of stormlight archive fatigue and decided to read both series. There is one particularly large spoiler in book 4 of SA that pretty explicitly spoils something from the Mistborn series too.

That's just a bit of advice for people if they are wondering where to start. Start with Mistborn era 1. 

Still 10/10 for me so far for the first 4 books of stormlight archive.