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My theory is either Ambition making a battery for some reason.
Or Invention making the planet has an experiment, which would explain why everything about it is so weird and doesn't comply with physics at all, implying the planet as a whole isn't natural. It also fits with how technologically focused the people are, and why the Shades are so weird and different, focused on the creation of parts and such. It would be a good explanation for how different they are that they are just imbued with a different form of Investiture. It also would explain why it basically turns people into batteries.
I lean much more towards Invention creating it as an experiment.
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22 hours ago, Starwatcher said:
So, in general, the Coppermind is open for anyone to edit and we encourage people to fix any mistakes they spot. That said, I think there's some confusion in this specific case:
I assume you're referring to the sentence that says "At some point, he came to an unnamed cavern planet on his run from the Night Brigade. During his stay, he stole a set of ragged clothes before Skipping away," right before the Overthrowing the Cinder King section? In that case, "unnamed cavern planet" references the planet he was on immediately before Canticle, not Canticle itself.
I second this, he did reference a cavern planet but didn't name it, it was where he was right before Canticle. It was only mentioned once, so it is easy to forget.
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1 minute ago, The Sibling said:
I guess it just doesn't fit Roshar for me at all, and I know that obviously they're not on Roshar but for that reason I hate this name for Sigzil because Sigzil is a great name and Nomad is a great name and why did he need a third name?
I mean, yeah, it doesn't fit Roshar as it is a Yolish name. And his third name is more thematic to symbolize his connection to the people of Beacon. It was more thematic than anything else, I feel.
But I rather not debate, I don't want any protentional arguments.
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1 minute ago, Harrycrapper said:
Unless I'm mistaken, Lightweavers don't have a limited teleportation ability? It's just the Willshapers and Elsecallers that have access to the Transportation Surge?
They are capable to bringing themselves into Shadesmar. It is required for Transformation. Transformation and Transportation are very closely connected Surges.
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On 10/6/2023 at 0:39 PM, Duxredux said:
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Skipping
- Haven't seen it yet, but... a teleporting Nightblood would be terrifying if he figured it out. He's definitely past this threshold in terms of raw Investiture.
I think that Skipping is unique to Hoid/Sig's Dawnshard, as we know one Dawnshard is different from the rest, and I feel it makes sense for this to be Hoid's. It would just make sense to me.
So, I don't think Skipping would be a generic Dawnshard ability. iirc, not even Hoid had the ability to Skip. So it might even be something unique to Sigzil, maybe the result of a combination of the Dawnshard with Radiant abilities. Or maybe Hoid was holding it when he became a Lightweaver, and it took Lightweaver's limited teleportation ability, and modified it as it connected it to the Connection of the Dawnshard, and made it more Spiritual in nature. And this was able to be transferred to Sig, giving him that capacity. But that is just be spitballing.
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3 hours ago, The Sibling said:
Sidenote, I think Zellion is kind of. dumb name. Sorry Brandon.
Really? I am the exact opposite and find it one of my favorite names of his. It just has a really good ring to it to me. But to each their own. : )
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I am interested in the codes. I wonder when they were made, like, give SIlverlight is a group of worldhoppers and cosmere aware people, maybe they are pretty old. But they could also have developed after more mass-scale interplanetary travel started.
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On 10/3/2023 at 0:17 PM, Dager000 said:
If I remember correctly, Spook got some info on Hemalurgy, but would it have gone that in-depth? Did Harmony become Discord (not sure how widely accepted this theory is as a possible route)
Almost universally accepted, given TLM talked a lot about him turning into Discord and Discord was foreshadowed and referenced as early as The Final Empire. So I highly doubt that he won't become Discord. I in fact believe that he will have to become it. "He shall be named Discord, and they shall love him for it." I believe he would fight it, but ultimately realize it was leaving him too unable to act which put his people at risk, and he would finally give in to Discord for the sake of his people, like to fight off Autonomy, or something of that ilk.
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22 hours ago, StanLemon said:
The Sunlit Man seems to have given given us an explanation why Breath from children is considered better than from older people.
The Investiture thresholds are similar in concept to Heightenings. According to Sigzil as long as he retains certain levels he gains abilities, and while those abilities do use Investiture, it's only a tiny amount. Applying this logic over to Breaths and Heightenings, the benefits of Breath, even just one very slowly use up the Breath.
This difference between a young and old Breath is probably small enough that it doesn't make much of a difference between dozens or maybe even hundreds of Breaths, but on the scale of 10s of thousands it like Susebron, it could make enough of a difference to explain why they get their Breaths from children for the Returned.
I feel we already got the answer, Brandon said the aura around people with Breaths uses the same mechanism as Stormlight Leaking, due to the Second Law of Investiture Thermodynamics. Which means that they slowly give off parts of their Breath over time as that aura, which depletes it, albeit very slowly.
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Is the radiance of the Returned, or people with Breath, is it like Stormlight coming off of people? Or is it a different concept?
Brandon Sanderson
It's a similar concept with different magic systems.
This is at least one big part of the answer. Investiture likes flowing from a place of high Investiture to one of low Investiture. Thus Breaths try to radiate outward, but the radiation is very weak when you have one. But as you get more and more, that radiation grows stronger as the differential between yourself and the environment grows.
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On 10/3/2023 at 9:35 PM, Szeth_Pancakes said:
I think the biggest thing is Scadrial technological progress. Since Mistborn Era 2 is between the front and back halves of Stormlight, and the back half only takes place a couple decades later than the front half, Scadrian technology can't conceivably have progressed to a point in which they're involved in a cosmere-wide arms race in such a short amount of time.
Unless I'm missing something.
We don't know how long after Era 3 Era 4 will be.
Era 1 to Era 2 was 341 years
Era 2 to Era 3 will will be around 70 years, as per WoB
Era 3 to Era 4 is a ???
Also, keep in mind, they have access to magic, which can help them expand faster in certain areas as they begin to study into it in a more scientific manner, as Brandon said they would by Era 3. So I believe that it would begin to accelerate massively during or after Era 3. Allowing them to begin the interstellar age within decades or a century instead of centuries. Maybe.
Also, SA6 is 10-15 years after SA5, not decades. So it would still take place before Era 3, which is 70 years after the gap between SA5 and 6. As Era 2 takes place in the gap. As substantiated by WoB and the epigraphs in SA3 and 4.
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On 10/4/2023 at 2:16 AM, Oltux72 said:
Such conventions are usually written either before the possibility really exists (convention on weapons in outer space) or after they have ceased to be relevant. The convention on land mines and cluster ammunition is instructive in that regard. The list of countries not signing is basically the list of countries taking the possibilty of a major land war seriously.
I'd take Sixth of the Dusk to take place in an era where the Cosmere is mostly explored. In terms of rough earth analogs The Sunlit Man seems to be in an early state of expansion - earth 1700 in terms of geopolitics - versus an era where further gains will require actively fighting other empires to take worlds away from them - earth 1890 - for Sixth of the Dusk. The main difference - politically speaking - between the Cosmere and Earth may be the lack of a Trinity moment.
Yes, they can depopulate a planet, but there is no MAD. You can still win a general war.Oh, I bet that there would be MAD, Scadrial has knowledge on how to make massive Invested Nukes. Sig also knows about nuclear reactors, which came after nuclear bombs. So I definitely believe that they would have MAD.
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On 10/5/2023 at 6:53 AM, Nameless* said:
I’ve figured that the Cosmere was huge ever since Tress. This is just confirmation that there’s a ton of non-Shard worlds.
Especially when they were talking about "tons of planets have backwards monarchies, you want us to help them all?", which implies that there are way more than what we have seen. As it is implied they are not talking about Roshar as they know Sig is Rosharan, we know it isn't Scadrial or First of the Sun or any others. Definitely not Komashi, I don't even think Komashi has an organized government, might be locally ruled cities, or even a communal rule, they don't really touch on it. Maybe Nalthis, but it is implied they advanced beyond that, I feel. All we know is Lumar, and one or two isn't a lot, not near as much as what they imply.
So, yeah, it is implied a ton of planets exist.
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On 10/6/2023 at 10:01 AM, Serack said:
Just some back of the envelope calculations based off of info from TSM and the Arcanum Unbound (roshar being ~0.7 of standard gravity), I've come up with the following rough values for Canticle. Note, the numbers for earth that I used to get this (assuming standard gravity is earth's) resulted in a calculated density for earth that was off by about a factor of 1.5, compared to what the internet says is the average density of the Earth, so consider these very back of the envelope, on the scale of less than an order of magnitude.
Mass (kg) =~2.7x10^21 (4/10,0000 that of the earth)
Density (kg/m^3) =~ 2x10^5 (~30x as dense as earth)
Note, this is about 10x as dense as Tungsten or Gold.
The density is within the range of densities of white dwarfs provided by wikipedia (10^4 to 10^7), but the smallest of those has 0.17 the mass of the sun, or 100,000,000 as massive as Canticle (and is much larger in size than 200 miles in diameter). Denser objects like Neutron Stars and stellar black holes are even heavier. A Black hole with Canticle's mass would have a Schwarzschild radius way smaller than the earth's (0.88 cm) so that's probably not what is going on either.
Conclusion: Canticle is 10x as dense as pretty much anything we encounter on earth, but can't really be compared to any stellar objects because it has way too little mass.
Footnote: mass was calculated using Newton's gravitational force equation assuming Canticle's force at the surface is ~0.7 that of earth's with a radius of 100 miles.
I will say, they actively bring up that it is denser than any natural element. Also, I got a different number for the density. I got 152.57 g/cm3. Which is not in the range of White Dwarf Stars, which are around 1000 10^4 to 10^7 g/cm3. This is only 1.5257 * 10^2. Not White Dwarf levels, but still around 6.7539x the density of osmium. And due to the fact that the overall density is lowered due to the density of the silicate layer which is implied to be Earth-like, so around 3-4 g/cm3, so the actual density of the core would be higher than 152.57, but not by much. But we don't know the core sized compared to the planet, so we can't say with absolute certainty.
I also got a total mass of 0.000446043 Earths, so a bit higher than what you got.
My thought is that it isn't that Investiture acts like mass (though it can be converted into mass), but that it causes the same spacial distortions that are what define gravity.
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Image of what gravity essentially is, it is a distortion of spacetime. If we go into the realm of fantasy, this doesn't necessarily have to be from just mass. But high amounts of Investiture could give an object an increased level of spaciotemporal distortion without increasing its mass. That, or it creates a Gravitation effect like the Gravitation Surge.
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I mean, it ultimately depends on the book. Some books have less connections, others have substantially more. This is just a case that strongly leans towards the more side. For obvious reasons.
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57 minutes ago, Treamayne said:
Well, I don't recall the number of planets visited equated to the number of planets spent on-the-run. He could have visited a number of places, spending multiple years each before the event recounted in Ch 28 where he spoke to the NB without realizing they would start hunting him. If they have been using interstellar tech to hunt him down since that event, he's likely only been on-the-run for a small percentage of the time since he left Roshar.
Wit says it in Ch 10, but in a way that may imply he's not necessarly being truthful.
Prevarication at its finest
The way I saw what he meant, is Sigzil has been to more planets, but hasn't necessarily seen more, as he doesn't stay as long as Hoid. But he is also able to go to many planets that Hoid can't go to or would have no desire to go to. Due to how Skips work.
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1 minute ago, Oltux72 said:
Still too low. Give him a hundred planets and a month on each and he has been on the run for 8 years.
Another thing, he probably stays on some larger planets for longer. Canticle is very small, and has very few settlements, so he would be easier to track. I also feel that he might just not know how many planets he has been to. So just defaults to tens as like, no matter how many he has been to, tens would be technically correct.
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1 hour ago, Lego Mistborn said:
It is mentioned that they gave him the name Zellion after their first lodestar, who was also named Zellion. I think the KS and SP ones are the same though.
If you look at the images in the book, yeah, they totally are.
But what I do wonder, is why his armour looks like that. Skybreaker armour should be a dark grey. Is it maybe due to the fact his armour was very hot? Or was it because it was a mix of Skybreaker and Windrunner Shardplate, as they did mention several times that he had both Shardplate spren appear. So maybe them both manifesting at once made it look weird?
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The thing is, tens could mean anything, it could even mean over a hundred. Rosharans just like dividing things up into tens.
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23 minutes ago, Treamayne said:
I think that when cresting the mountain, Nomad was at (or slightly above) that planet's Karman Line. Since he did not burn up where he was exposed to sunlight alone, it imples, to me, that whatever is happening at the surface requires one or more of the following:
- Air pressure
- Proximity to the core
- Exceeding some threshold of preceived gravitation
My guess is that the planet's extraordinary gravititation is condensing the sunlight and interacting with the atmorsphere to create a kind of plasma as it makes the "circuit" discussed in the book. Also, if the density (physical or investiture) is causing some level of time dilation (possibly foreshadowed by Night Brigade arriving by FLT a day~ish after Nomad Skipped) there could be an element that the light reaching the surface is multiple minutes/hours' worth of condensed sunlight in each second of exposure.
If this were the case, then above the mountain peak Nomad was just far enough from the center of the dilation to not experience condensed sunlight, and/or outside of an atmosphere that the condensed sunlight might have ionized into plasma.
Not a scientist, just conjecture for debate.
At the gravity level that they have, the difference would be 1.00000000001x, as the gravity is actually weaker than the Cosmere Standard. So time would be dilated less than standard.
Also, for radial velocity, it is 28.1 m/s compared to Earth's 465.1 m/s, or around 6.04% of Earth's. Although its angular velocity is greater, 0.00017453 rad/s for Canticle and 0.00007292 rad/s for Earth, or 2.939x that of Earth. Because angular velocity is independent of radius, whilst radial velocity is dependent on it. So, despite the shorter days, it does rotate slower than Earth.
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1 hour ago, GudThymes said:
I don't think it makes sense at all that a shard or Ado would've invested the sun.
There's something going on with the planet not the sun itself, otherwise he would've been burned up on top of the mountain.
My thought is that any old star could take the place of Canticle's star.
Why would he have burned up if it was Invested? Also, they explicitly said multiple times that the star is Invested and interacts with the core.
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1 hour ago, therunner said:
Could it be this one?
Though this seems more in line of general atomic properties and their relevance to Metallic Arts will be addressed, not necessarily about alloys.
Probably that one, yeah.
We did get one answer about radioactive things in TSM. Where they confirmed that axons do indeed have nuclear properties.
I do hope he doesn't use the Bohr model, and instead uses the Quantum Model. As the Bohr model is just flat out incorrect.
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1 minute ago, therunner said:
There can be lag between Arcanum, and actual events. So perhaps he said it in some recording that was not fully transcribed yet.
No, no, it is an older one. I just forgot the exact words so it can be hard to find.
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Just now, therunner said:
True. BTW do you have the WoB where Brandon mentioned getting into God Metal Alloys in Era 3? I cannot find it and would like more detail (if there is any).
It kinda is, you can achieve the same effect with weighted shoes.
Far cheaper option than using God Metal.I am having trouble finding it as well, but I could have sworn he did say it. Huh.
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2 hours ago, Gavtyven said:
Roshar the planet might always have existed, but we do know that Adonalsium shaped the landmass Roshar themselves, at least according to this WoB
Roshar is too young to have a large amount of fossils, iirc. Meaning that it isn't astronomically old. I feel that the planet, or even system itself, was made by Adonalsium.
4 hours ago, Oltux72 said:Well, no. You have shown that it is artificial. But by that logic a Shard would have made Roshar. That is not the case.
I mean, it kind of was, it was made by Adonalsium, who is sorta like a Super-Shard, given all Shards game from it.
I don't think Adonalsium would have made Canticle, though, seems to have far less actual importance. It really does feel like it is just a weird experiment by Invention.
1 minute ago, Oltux72 said:There is something inside Canticle. The Investiture has to go somewhere and it must be very, very dense. It would be very odd if the sun and that core are unrelated. And it is still there, yet there is no perpendicularity.
Now Canticle is too small to be shaped the way it is without the mass at its core. It is also far too small to hold its air without that mass. So you either have to assume that it was created artificially after the Shattering with its core or it is old and something primordial is storing up Investiture inside it.
What I think is possible is that it actually isn't that dense, and it is the Investiture which is creating a strong gravitational pull. As the core is far denser than a planetary core should be, which is 8-12 g/cm3, the density of this core is over 152 g/cm (taking into account the given radius and a gravity of 0.7g). I think I even remember Sigzil thinking the gravity came from Investiture instead of just mass.
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Any sign of a possible Singer/human romantic relationship?
in Stormlight Archive
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I also have a theory that the way Alethi hair works is based upon Singer heritage as well. With how they gain multi-colour patterns in their hair, I feel that is related to the singer skin patterns and colours. It would make sense if they did due to how they did a lot of conquest and the things that come along with conquest, making them a very genetically mixed people, which would explain how they would probably have Herdazian and Veden blood (which often is mixed with Horneater, thus Singer), which could explain how their hair came about.