kaladin x happiness

On 07/11/2022 at 6:56 AM, Returned said:

There's no reason (yet) to think that he and Kelsier are working together (yet).

After reading TLM would you say the statement still stands? 

what was the coin that hoid as a beggra gave wax that showed kelsier’s memory? why are they working together? 

10 hours ago, Jofwu said:

@kaladin x happiness FYI, this is about big spoilers well outside the scope of Mistborn alone, so I'm moving this to the Cosmere Discussion forum.

Oh yes, of course - thank you

7 hours ago, Returned said:

It would be very valuable to be the first group to be able to do that, given how portable and accessible it is. There are also implications for Kelsier himself: figuring out how to get Stormlight off of Roshar might be very helpful in helping get Kelsier unstuck from where he is. And beyond that I wouldn't feel too secure in thinking that we know everything about Kelsier's goals or mindset right now. A lot has happened to him, and his current state of existence might have prompted a lot of changes in him.

Very true

4 hours ago, Nesh said:

The Ire are a sect of Elantrians they are from Sel, the planet where Elantris takes place, the Shards on Sel are Devotion and Dominion.  The glowy stuff is a kind of Investiture, that's all we know.  The planet Kelsier saw was Sel.

It's not Stormlight, it's some other form of Investiture.

Interstellar space is much smaller in the Cognative Realm because it is largely empty.

 

How, the same way he formed the crew probably: Recruiting.  Why, to protect Scadrial from outside forces in the greater Cosmere.

 

He used a Seon, also from Sel and the book Elantris.  Shallan gets one in Rhythm of War, the glowing, taking orb from the Ghostblood box.  Really, you should probably read Elantris, it would help with a lot of these questions.  It's Brandon's earliest published work though, so don't expect Stormlight level quality.

 

We're not exactly sure how Kelsier got a body again, we know Hemalurgy was involved, but beyond that... He is still a Cognitive Shadow, that is the affliction he shares with the Hearlds, or at least has something to do with it.

Gosh, thank you so much! Yes, I’ve read Elantris but only once, and a long time ago at that. i think it’s possibly time for another reread.

I’ve also read smewhere that Ghostbloods are looking to export Stormlight off Roshar - why would Kelsier wnat to do that?

having just finished my reread of mistborn era 1 (in preparation for the upcoming release, obviously) im a bti confused as to the timeline… this is much before stormlight, right? because ghostbloods is foudned by kelsier and thats well established in the stormlight era. is there anywhere i can find a clear timeline to allthe cosmere novels? 

so i’ve read Dawnshard but i still don’t understand what Rysn’s importance is and what a dawnshard is…

so ive read secret history once but i didnt have much prior cosmere knowledge - i just finished my reread of it and i have questions. a lot of them.

1. Who are the Ire? From which planet? Which book? Which Shards? What are the glowy things they eat? Which planet is the building Kelsier reaches on?

2. It says the building glows with a white-blue light… is this Stormlight? How??!

3. How is the space between planets represented in the Cognitive Realm?

4. How did kelsier found ghostbloods and why?

4a. also how did he become visible to gavliar on roshar?

5. how did kelsier tie himself back to the physical realm as mentioned at the end? does this mean he’s no longer a cognitive shadow?

6. what is the affliction kelsier shares with the heralds as mentioned on a wiki somewhere?

thanks guys!!

What is dark one? Im confused

hi all,

i was excited to read legion and it started off good but i was thrown back by the almost anti-palestine undertones, the painting of israel as a haven, and the non-distinction between muslims and terrorist. was this just me? has anyone else picked up on this? am i overthinking?

So I recently finished White Sand prose version and the ending mentioned that Kenton was goign to go visit Khriss. I couldn’t find a sequel so I turnd to the graphic novles and went straight to teh end of Volume III, which has the same ending as the prose one and doesn’t continue it. I noticed a lot of differences between the graphic noels and prose as well, so a few questions:

1. Is there something that continues those events?

2. Do I have to read the graphic novels - are there any differences that are importnat?

3. Is White Sand non-canon, then?

Thanks!

On 25/05/2022 at 5:44 AM, Duxredux said:

@kaladin x happiness,There's this Cosmere 101 post that is meant as a basic introduction with some minor spoilers. You can get some heavy-duty spoilers from the Coppermind, but if you're up to date, it's a fantastic resource of information that has been compiled over the years.

thank you! and thank you everyone else. very helpful

I’ve finished The Stormlight Archive twice (only twice, I know…), and my opinion of Moash has changed drastically during my reread. At first, I completely and utterly hated him without regret. Then, on my reread, I was able to appreciate the depth of his character. I find myself half wanting him dead, and half wanting him to get the best redemption arc ever. I’m pretty sure on other bases (like tumblr or reddit) there’s a really strong This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules Moash group which I don’t like the idea of, mostly because they don’t appreciate the dimensions of his character, at least from what I’ve seen. I’ll put my full opinion of Moash below, but I’m asking you guys what you think about Moash, and what you want to see happening to him in the next few books vs. what might actually happen etc. Also, my sister said she believes Moash “did what he had to do” but upon further questioning doesn’t give me any answers, so if someone could please explain what you think she might mean?

Okay, my opinion, all over the place, and based off several points i saw on reddit/tumblr + my own beliefs (so some of these arent my own):

(TL;DR - i have a love-hate relationship. i can understand why he did what he did, but i still hate him for it. i want him to drop dead and iw ant to see a sick redemption arc.still figuring out my position.)

• People ask why we hate Moash so much when Dalinar did so much worse, and I definitely agree, but one of the reasons might be because Moash doesn’t take responsibility for his actions whilst Dalinar does (ft. epic Oathbringer you cannot have my pain) its not about fairness or jstuice for him most of the time, its revenge. hes eager to take advantange, but not to take responsibility. he takes the  path of cowardice and refuses to be held accountable for his choices. (but then, can we htae him for being human?) he feels bad, but a bad that leads to “I wish I could have done it without feeling pain” rather than “I wish I didnt do it” (yes, yes we can)
• also he doesnt fight against oppression, he fights against lighteyed oppression, and thinks that fused oppression is better
• HE KILLED TEFT </3
• I’m open to the idea of a redemption arc, I don’t like him at all but understand the reasoning behind his choices. I’m willing to give him a chance.
• About Elhokar…I don’t know how I feel about him still. Elhokar had potential and Brandon was trying to make us feel that, and I kidna WAS feeling that. But I do understand that Elhokar was Moash’s Amaram, almost.
• His black cloak on the hill RoW scene was pretty cool I gotta admit it
• SUICIDE BAITING KALADIN. I can’t seem to get past this. As someone who’s been struggling with getting help for my depression and suicidal thoughts for years, I felt this on a different level. NOT OKAY, MOASH! But my lovely sister (who compares my depression to Kaladin’s then invalidates both of ours) believes she understands why he did that, and in his own way he was genuinely trying to make Kaladin feel better. maybe he was. (he wasnt) HE LITERALLY TRIES TO KILL KAL, WHO SAVED HIS LIFE
• he’s a nuanced character and i can appreciate that
• he chooses to stay with bridge 4 then betrays them
• betrays many oaths and promises he makes, constantly lies (but who didnt?)
• in case you forgot, teft went from “im broken” to “im loved” as he died
• Hes completely aware and happy that odium took away his emotions and whenever hte bond weakens he panics and tries to get it back immediately instead of going “omg no emotions made me do terrible stuff” I hope odium throws him off and leaves him blind, alone, and with a mountain of guilt. Once again I will support a redemption arc if he feels the pain of what hes done
• i dont reeeallyyy appreciate how brandon (maybe unconsciously) framed the victim of racism, being a poc myself i can understand a few of the things moash felt (kinda) (ig) so i can feel some, SOME level of sympathy for moash. moash, not vyre id want more from brandon around the racism thing tho. lots of potential that moash had before he went into this downward arc.
• i feel like hes being framed as ur typical villain and slowly losing hsi humanity so i dont really like that but yeah

I might add more later. 

too much time in urithiru, doing nothing

On 22/05/2022 at 0:08 AM, Duxredux said:

@kaladin x happiness, you tagged this for help, so... do you want us to try to help convert your sister to the Cosmere, or is this a place to express the travesty you beheld?

yeah, just a plaec to express…

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My question is what does your sister like in books in general?

the same books as me, actually - classics, high fantasy, thriller, adventure, mystery, you name it. she was the one who introduced me to sanderson, actually, but i enjoyed it so much that i read the series much faster than her.

Thank you everyoone!!

my sister just finished reading the climax (part 5) of oathbringer and called it “ok” and “passable” and said shes “read better”.

PASSABLE!?!?!?

>:O

4 hours ago, Weltall said:

The other big source is the Letters that form part of the epigraphs for each book. 

wait, so which book series is this in? andw here is frost from? 

are all the planets (like scadrial, roshar, uhh the elantris one, the warbreaker one) are they all orbiting the same sun?? or is it like, in the cosmere there are like 6 suns and separate solar systems or something and each has a random amnt of planets but the sahrdworls are scattered between them?

14 hours ago, Ta'veren Kaladin said:

 Welcome, since your an Aussie, may I ask what it's like to live upside down

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Don't worry, I know you don't actually live upside down, well kind of, but not in that way, and even then, it's all based on perspective.

 

LOL

sigh

i get that question a lot

and yeah thats true, for all you know, australia should be on top of the world map

but anyways the earth is a literal *sphere* there *is* no up or down

alas

living in australia is great tho!!

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Jasnah and Taln had me crazy shocked but for some reason I can totally see it happening. I hated how both Adolin/Aredor and Renarin die, though. Not fair.

Ohh, makes sense. I had forgotten about that. Thank you!

What/who are the Shards, what does Hoid have to do with anything (or why does Hoid get involved in everything), what are all the planets...basically, how does the Cosmere work? 

what the title says ig...soemthing ive been wondering about for a while

Hi all! I've finally hopped on to the 17th Shard bandwagon in my search for answers, fanart, and theories, as well as my slight obsession with incorrect quotes. I've read Mistborn eras 1 and 2, Elantris, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive (inc TWOK Prime).  That's all from a Brandy Sandy fan from Down Under