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55 minutes ago, alder24 said:

 

 

Shards don't override one another, they are equal to each other. Power of the Shards don't disappear or get destroyed, power can't be destroy.

Also the balance is not needed. Discord might seam worst for us, readers, but for a shard it will be more stable than Harmony. No need for change as Discord already assumes that there is no balance. Sazed can be only balance or no balance. Unless he splinters himself. Sazed is perfect for holding both shards as he his ruinous and preserving 

I understand your viewpoint.

Unfortunately in the Cosmere, shards overcome each other and there is no evidence to suggest shards are automatically equal while in a vessel. 

What you are saying cannot dispute my original post. 

I cant seem to navigate to users on this website that appear in person on 17th shard videos and podcasts. 

Is there some sort of Directory function?

7 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Or it finds new stable state. Two stars with different masses orbit each other in not spherical ans imperfect orbits, but they are stable an will remain in that shape untill stars change, die or get pulled by outside force.

 

There is a deal the Vessels made that force them not to settle in the same system. Most splinter Shards violated that deal and that exploded them - like Dominion and Devotion. Ruin and Preservation agreed to settle and create together and therefore they did not violated that deal. 

Easily is not the right word. Shards are equal. Ambition and Honor might be splinteres with involvement of multiple shards.

I didn't read anywhere where any shards agreed to settle the same system. Perhaps the vessel of Ruin wished to have a counteracting shard to keep him in check, and perhaps the vessel of Preservation agreed.. but none of the above is written and is therefore speculation..

The reality is that shards override one another.. but there is no shard that stands above the rest. 

The same obvious law should apply to vessels holding multiple shards... hence Discord becoming worse...eventually.. and the need to impede or restart the balance. 

7 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Discord is already unbalanced form for these Shards. Where else can it go from being unbalanced? Preservation is not getting weaker, it's constantly the same, Ruin is also the same. They are not gaining or losing power at this moment. Ruin is stronger just because Preservation gave more of himself to humanity during Scadrial creation. 

With two shards combined they can only be in harmony or with one of them dominating the other. 

But now Harmony is not in harmony, Sazed works more on preserving people without providing equal amount of ruining. 

Unless Sazed gave up one of his shards, I doubt it will end up in total Ruin.

What happens when something is unbalanced in life? and it receives no further counteracting force?

The unbalance continues. and continues. Thats why I think Sazed will give up both shards to perhaps restart the process somehow. 

Many shards can easily splinter the other, if they are held by the same vessel.. what law of the Cosmere have you observed which protects one shard over another at large, let alone in the same vessel?

19 hours ago, alder24 said:

Harmony is two shards for now, and no matter what they are, one shard can't destroy the other while being held by one vessel. Harmony can be splintered back to Ruin and Preservation, but Ruin can't destroy Preservation while held by Harmony/Discord together. Harmony is becoming Discord not because Preservation is decaying away, but because there was always slightly more Ruin than Preservation. It will never end up with pure Ruin, as long as those two are together, there will always be Preservation.

Forgive me, but this proves my point. Why go from Harmony to Discord? 

You said slightly more Ruin than Preservation?  What does this mean? When does this end?

When does the counteracting force of the shard of Preservation hold the line? 

Why didn't it hold it at Harmony?

Therefore why should it stop unbalancing? 

Because it wont be held at Discord. Its going to steadily decrease until Sazed gives both shards to someone else to start the cycle over again. (my theory at least)

Tell us what happens!

Upvote the best likelihood of event! 

Include any characters from WOT and Cosmere!

My flash answer was something else.. like Dalinar or Jasnah.. but I realized if I were given the choice to read sample chapters.. it would have to be Adolin. Just a very relatable dude to a middleclass dude like myself. Very aware he isnt the smartest tool in the shed.. hell of a warrior. Will always try to do the right thing. How can you not like the guy?

I suppose a better Harmony type shard matchup would be Cultivation and Ruin. Or some type of Lifey growth shard. 

I work with statistics a lot. Everything from business production, sales, stocks.. you name it.

I see this get confused A TON in the fandom... but hear me out.

Preservation and Ruin is NOT Harmony. Its not a horizontal line on a graph. Its a steadily declining one. 

If these were forces at work grinding against each other.. you will eventually end up with Ruin. 

A negative force against a neutral force = Negative outcome. 

A positive times a negative = a negative. 

After we see Discord in Era 3.. there will be perhaps further dissention into Ruin.

Regression, Perdition, Dissolution, Atrophy, Whatever.. All roads lead to Ruin on this.

Discord should be fun for a while. But Discord creates problems. And if problems arent solved.. what happens? I hope the reader gets my point. lol

15 minutes ago, trav said:

Cultivations Perpendicularity is still besieged and Honors is still unstable or does not exist at all. This would be the easiest explanation. Or someone got shattered Ambition style.

Can you imagine? We think this great victory happens against the shard of Odium... only for the last chapter of the book to show the entire force of the fused absolutely demolishing cities and committing spren genocide or something like that. 

Its essentially War.. vs Harmony. Who do you think will win the most engagements over time? Assuming the investiture in Knights Radiant and Squires, and Mistborn and Mistings are equally distributed on the battlefield. 

It would also be in Cultivations best interests to work together with Odium and Honor. 

Cultivation and Odium... This probably the worst matchup of shards to go up against.. especialy while the shards will mainly employ the Knights Radiant on the battlefield.. which is Honor. And then the fused working together with Knights Radiant? Roshar hands down.

But Era 3 is a different story. Airplanes. Jets. Shielding. Nuclear Weapons.. Not looking good for Roshar. Unless the entire population of Roshar develops surge binding. 

It just occurred to me that something very decisive happened on Roshar during ERA 2 during the SLA timeskip.  Hoid is in Wax's employ for years, and its generally understood that Roshar is currently hard to get to. I cant remember all the reasons except for distance, but I thought it was mentioned somewhere that there were other reasons access to Roshar was limited as of The Lost Metal. If someone  has the reference please let me know.

Therefore.. I bring you these theories about Roshar. (We know Era 2 is SLA 5-8)

1. A new agreement was made after something unknown happened during the Contest of Champions (book 5), and it involved Hoid being exiled, and perhaps even silenced to a certain extent. (Is it just me or doesn't he not seem like himself on Scadrial? Very quiet and unintrusive. Virtually no counsel)
2. The new agreement made Todium retreat from Roshar.. BUT NOT SHADESMAR!!

Guys... what if Todium was forced to retreat... but he brought all of his Fused to Shadesmar?

As of the Cosmere timeline in The Lost Metal.. what if Todium is having a crazy freaking Spren conquest with all of his forces in Shadesmar?? Could this be what's happening during Era 2? What if the fused are razing spren cities to the ground..and establishing a beachhead at the perpendicularities? 

We have seen fused in Shadesmar before... Is there a limit to how much he can send?

I could see Shallan and Morase joining forces again, but only against Odium.

Then Adolin becomes honor.

Because of this Shallan becomes a GB worldhopper double agent for Honor and Roshar..

and Lopen saves the world and walks into a Bar with Wayne on the other side. 

Ok ok. real talk though. I think Todium is going to crack down on Shadesmar. 

I almost imagine it like nuclear fission vs fusion. The energy in the smallest invested particles in the cosmere can release enormous amounts of energy. Having 2 opposing metals burn in a misting like gold and copper is a blunt combination that burns up quickly. But two matching metals.. its energy release is seemingly renewable and self amplifying...still finite.. but an extremely efficient release of energy. I have no doubt space travel in era 3 will follow along this line.  

Ah ok. No problem. 
 

and thanks!! You’re Morningtide from the shardcasts right? Does your name come from that character in skyward? Wow I just teared up a little. Great books. 

On 8/30/2022 at 10:03 AM, Morningtide said:

Yes, it does. The most recently commented on or posted theory moves up to the top. However, double posting is generally frowned upon by the mods, so waiting for others to post is more advisable.  no worries tho. 

On another note, I like your theory! It's very well put together. 

How does this work.. Does this comment on my own post Bump this up to the top?

Having waited until the recent release for the audio for Dawnshard, I know that I may be a little late on the discussion, but I watched the Shardcasts on Dawnshard(s) and I would like to give what could be valuable expert opinion on definitions like Command, Intent, and their relationship. (I supervised executive leadership and communication courses for various successful companies.) then I would like to end off with some opinions about what the Dawnshards might be, and what Hoid's mysterious mission might be.

"Something you want to happen," is obviously an intention, but an intention can have varying degrees of intent. The highest intent, is truly KNOWING it will happen and so it happens. From my professional experience... like when I have a client that tells one of his or her employees to go accomplish a task or achieve a target, the intention behind the command is a very interesting art and is the real subject of my profession.The more KNOWING that is in an intent, the more chance the command has of generating everything required to carryout the command. We often drill this with fun exercises and drills increasing certainty or "Knowing," when delivering commands.  

“Know it..”

There are also varying degrees of knowing. Knowing appears to encompass the specifics and nuances in the command itself and doesn’t necessarily need visualization because it can potentially transcend it. The command DELIVERS the intention. Or manifests it. For example, the command usually doesn’t literally have to be “CHANGE” each time Rysen delivers a command in the future, should she ever get invested or however that would work. I can imagine Rysen having an intent for something to change and delivering the command with with word “NOW” at the end of a sentence. Just like in the real world.. if your intention is high enough you don’t even need verbal commands.. or you can use random words instead of the exact words.When drilling potential executives, we often have them substitute the words of the command with random words to really attempt at dialing in on what intention really is. 

For a mortal, the exact words will help alot, but for a god, or a shard, or a being who KNOWS.. the words don't really mean much. Perhaps this is why we are being led to believe that dawnshards can wreak havoc when utilized by average IQ individuals.

Potential Dawnshard theories: We know one is CHANGE. Which leaves 3 more, with one being different than the other 3. 

Birth. Growth. Decay. 

Create, Survive, Destruction. The circle of life can be written tons of ways... but the most fundamental way is..

START. CHANGE. STOP. 

Then we just throw in some life, emotions, and awareness into it. LIVE. or EXPERIENCE, or BE AWARE. something like that.

HOID.

I think Hoid knows the Cosmere is off balanced and doomed because of the uncreation of a shard. But does he hope to restore the shard for the sake of the Cosmere, or.. to restore his memories.