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@isabigfishI feel this then would still give rise to my thoughts of an underworld in which certain masterminds are being either controlled or controlling here as people in the shadows, those rare ones. I'd imagine any sinister group on scadrial who even halfway understands spikes would only need like 4 spikes to potentially have a superhuman AI type mastermind to help draft plans. There really isn't that much powers in the way here, and the potential upsides are so valuable. Because it's not just mental speed as I thought. I did some searching for your metabolism references, and I'll finish there later, but this quote from Brandon Sanderson, is wow: If this is any way true, this is how I definitely see the shadow world behind scadrial playing out in the very long term. Too big of a mental advantage not to use.

@isabigfishI wonder if a full ferchemist or someone with the right spikes could get around this by tapping gold healing, or does that work on hunger?

I've been thinking a bit about various metals compounded we haven't seen. But mental speed (zinc), compounded to have a person be able to think 100s of times faster than a normal person, on all the time to the point of Savantism even and still compounding... I feel this is like a walking supercomputer, perhaps masterminding the criminal underworld and politics these select few people in Scadrial society, I feel it. But I'm also trying to get a grasp of these superintellects. How much faster are they thinking that is sustainable in burning rates?

In Sunlit we came to understand awakening some things like a metalmind perhaps some feruchemist put enhanced mental speed or memory into seemed to create an AI. Could this be done with a gemheart and similarly Rasharan invested objects to interesting effects, like a stone stuck to a wall to maybe interesting interactions? It may have just broken my brain a bit while I ponder it. Awakening bullets by a coinshot "seek the eyes" might already be broken enough figuring they could probably just retrieve them again. But awakeners with any level of potential surge level powers, even as a secondary option from objects could be something else. What exactly is the limit to what can be awakened, do we know?

We knew it was close, but all I can see is this passage from time: The next reference to it was after vin died, "it happened very quickly after that", I'm assuming because any restrictive force just stopped at that point. We know it wouldn't have been long, and perhaps it might not have been days longer, but either way it's still not the sound thing to do. Elend didn't know he had to burn it all right there in that charge. The koloss are only stunned at first when they are in their natural frenzy, similar to how in that state they build it up by fights among themselves. But not in the command of another mind, elend already previously proved he didn't need that build up, and could just order an instant attack. And ruin was better at it. As for ruin losing this way it was still only an outside force with nothing to lose who did ruin in, having little to do with anything other than elend dying and having nothing left. Which still might have happened anyway.

Even if the point is for a valiant last stand in which you burn off the atium, you do it best this way. You probably kill more along the way of the atium being depleted, and it gives time, maybe no help comes, etc. But to a dying last stand group, they'd all say they would love to fight through another day I bet.

He went out against a force all spread out because he wanted a glorious charge or something, lol. The atium is super valuable, allowing men to be practically untouched until it runs out. They had four entrances. 300 men with it... It seems to me the thing to do is to have squads of 20 or even 40 depending on entrance size to fight. This allows squads to move back when tired to rest and a fresh squad to move up. They had to come to them, plus huge bodies would end up creating even narrower confines soon enough. If they ever became too much a nuisance, another squad could be assigned to pull bodies past a certain point down the caverns. It seems to me 300 atium burners would be able to do this for a very long time, probably days before it ran out. Instead elend just rushes out forcing them all to burn it all at a quicker, less efficient pace. Heh

I was just wondering at the arcanum entry about electrum. Obviously seeing ones own future and being hit there or here changes what you do so it countered atium. Maybe it is a general anti-assassination power, with a few seconds use, it I find would be difficult to rely on unless you had the resources to burn all the time and who knows what happens when you get to an extent where you have an electrum savant, might it be minutes? Hmmm. We don't have much limits here. Atium was used more like what you see in the movie Next I feel, knowing what everyone is to do. But I feel even seeing what happens to you, it would be something like the movie Next anyway, because it had to do with him and it makes sense in my mind that way. But obviously it isn't that powerful, so I'm kinda wondering now... What are the limits of Electrum, do we even know from a q and a with Sanderson yet?

In the last empire we get a reference to the feruchemical ability to store age, and that's how the LR lived forever... By having the ability to burn the metal from his allomancy. But earlier trying to track the metal in question I didn't see it in the list? Iron: Weight Tin: Senses Steel: Speed Pewter: Strength Zinc: Mental Speed (underutilized fyi) Copper: Memories Brass: Stores Warmth (I forgot about this, also underutilized!) Bronze: Wakefulness Cadmium: Breath Gold: Health Bendalloy: Energy (some implications of food storage in this way are interesting from a wealth saving perspective) Electrum: Determination (needs more defined) Chromium: Fortune Aluminum: Identity Nicrosil: Investiture Duralumin: Connection Where's the one for age? Was it removed for more practical ones like warmth storage by powers when the shards were being changed and Sazed remaking Scadrial? Because I was thinking the ferring who could store age could indeed find a very good purpose of it: if they store it everyday from their teenage years to become the age of a healthy active 45 year old (or whatever you think the limit of prime living years is that you can accept, heck even a 30 y/o prime year athlete or whatever the number pro sports commentators say, done from the start), will give those years living acceptably, and then you start burning. So you would live potentially up to 70, 75 years of age? And living in the constant still useful years of 45 that entire time, being so used to what your body can or can't do by that point?

@alder24 actually the way f-iron can't ever be exactly zero almost makes sense at a quantum level for me. Like how if one could store body heat, I would imagine it would never be able to be zero entirely. There is no absolute zero, even empty space has stuff appearing and disappearing, energies. Nature abhors a vacuum/nothing. Even with nothing there is almost always something, even if little. That's what I see with this logic. And now I just realized how fun it would have been to have a f-body heat power, lol.

I'm not sure about stability, but maybe Protection? Not only preserving things, but the words, ideas and honor. And instead of Malice, Dread? Also, love to the chaos one! Blood for the blood throne! Chaos gods, lol

Sorry for the quote errors, can't seem to figure out how to remove reveal hidden things from my phone quote. Anyway; I can't help but notice your sources contradict you a little bit. For instance, the first one a fan asks Sanderson if wax could counteract a lashing by altering his gravity, Sanderson said he couldn't, because the lashing effects the gravitational acceleration, as you said. But I'm not trying to counteract the lashing, but add to it. If a ferring increased his mass, and also the gravitational acceleration were increased together, it would be to great effect. I of course realize that it would always be at the dictates and direction of the gravitational acceleration of the windrunner. But it could make for a surprising combo I feel.

I find it is perhaps 50/50? It depends on how it's stored in the soul I'd imagine, is it one attribute or two? I feel if it's one, you might need one, or the other? I do feel it's probably bundled though as you said, just, I wouldn't say it with enough confidence as to say I couldn't see it going either way.

What can all you add? I want to see if we can't create a really full and fun list. Things we can imagine are possible, but haven't yet seen on the page. 1. Ferring of weight storage + mistborn powers. One could pull natural metal ore from under you in many locations to create an earthquake creating power, but you'd need to become heavy enough to be able to push them, etc. 2. High level bronze flairer or Mistborn + any weapon that damages investiture, like the fuzed use. The way they can intuit not only through blocking investiture but sense even the types of powers around and what they are doing, to even offworlder interactions with sensing kel's spren Syl, I think they'd be able to do it as easily as piercing a copper cloud, and in this coming cold war between them, i feel mistings or more with these tools hunting the spren in fights is dirty indeed, and a lot more practical and easy than having to use the sand like they did in stormlight. It would be ak instinctual radar they could practically shoot at. 3) Feruchemy weight manipulation + wind runner lashing. That's a doozy, lash something like 5000 times heavier than it should be, but with 4x the gravity? With what can be done if these two were on the same side for a fight... That might be mountain moving, lol. Just need to do it in the right timing combo. I also feel this combo would also be a trick to get people space bound very easily. 4) Hemalurgy + spren connection. It cuts a piece of the soul out even the points it's invested, ie, investiture and steals it for itself. Since the connection to Dalinar's spren was almost stolen in the same way by the herald, might it be able to steal the connection to the spren itself? But like all Hemalurgy, it might be impossible in a fight with the moving parts, but if the opportunity was there, and you figured out the metals or placement.... Wow. I think it should be conceivably possible? I'm imagining spikes that force a bond to a certain spren... Might as even this be part of the terrible spren experiments in the last stormlight book? 5) Imagine a windrunner or edge dancer burning atium? I feel that might be pretty much as good in most cases to a mistborn with it. Already some of the most agile and hard to hit targets becoming next level. Tbh, I almost feel if as in the last wax series it becomes easier to make a thing that makes the Mistborn powers, the forces of Roshar might also steal that and do that too. And then taking spren, etc. I could see it becoming a very mixed bag of competitors over the long haul .