Shob the Voidbringer

On 2/23/2021 at 5:47 AM, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Can I say that I hope it’s not Moash? Kaladin already makes me suicidal and Moash thinks in a similarly fatalistic manner. It’s already somewhat dangerous for me to read the books; adding Moash to Kaladin would massively up the risk factor. Why can’t they ever stop being nihilistic and miserable?!

And no, depression is not a good reason for a character to think that way. There are optimistic depressed people. Why can’t people write OPTIMISTIC depressed characters? Is it so hard to imagine that you can be hopeful and depressed?!

do you mean switching between optimistic and depressed, because those two are kinda antonyms? i don't really get how some-one could be both at once.

dabbid needs a spren. simple as that, because he deserves one so much. honestly, i could see dabbid becoming a edgedancer, looking out for those who were like him, and were ignored by the public.

both moash and gavilar seem likely, you know, both the most hated characters in the book (possibly cosmere, but i'll wait on this till i've finished reading them), and they would be very intriguing, i mean, i can see moash kinda mirroring venli's arc in in RoW, but if it were gavilar, i don't know what to expect, i mean, this guy is cosmere aware, or rather, cosmere active, as in working in the cosmere, with all the possible resources he can, and he's among the most selfish characters we've seen, but he would be new, and it would be hard to give him a nice mini-arc in the interludes, because he's to new for an arc.

3 hours ago, Adonoliusm said:

I think it's very likely that The fifth ideal will have something to do with forgiveness unless Brandon Sanderson decides to kill off Kaladin fighting Kalak and the fight will end with both their weapons stabbed into each other.

kaladin looks at the spear stuck in him "fine" he says, "i won't die fighting some stupid immortal. but we were equal matched!"

5 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

I stand by my stupidity  

Speaking of ... I refuse to believe Gavilar will come back as a cognitive shadow. I see all the potential foreshadowing, it could be what happens, I just don't think it will. I think we get PoV prologue and spiritual mumbo-jumbo Connection vision of him talking to Dalinar, Navani or both. 

I don't think Brandon will repeat himself with the Kelsier thing so directly. Guy who wants to save the world and is also an egomaniac gets killed and finds a way to stick around.

My interpretation of his "realm of the gods" and immortality talk is he was going to Ascend to become Honor as Dalinar has in his place in a very roundabout way. He was getting Visions from the Stormfather, he probably had begun to bond with the Stormfather. He probably didn't swear the oaths, it's not clear. But, he was deeply connected to the remnants of a god, or beginning to be. He seems to know a LOT more than our main characters about the Cosmere. He understood the old holder of Honor was dead and he had an opportunity. 

just gonna say, not exactly a repeat. 1) gavilar would have been preparing 2) gavilar is evil, kelsier was much more morally light-grey 3) gavilar hasn't been seen in anything other than flashbacks and prologues

20 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said:

dalinar already does this to contact queen fen and the emperor of Azir in OB...

last i checked, though i don't have access to oathbringer right now, that was more just confirming that the visions were not fake, and that he was not insane, rather than a meeting

1 hour ago, BenduLuke said:

Fair enough, but she could have done it and since Soothing and rioting produce essentially the same results she may have been consciously unaware that she was doing both.

it's pushing and pulling. doing opposite things for the same effects, yes, but she would be aware of which she's doing. if you pull something one way, and then go to the other side and push the same direction, it will have the same result, but use different muscles, so you would know which you're doing. this is the same with rioting and soothing, you can produce similar effects, but what you do is opposite from the other. also, vin specifically was thinking about making people less angry and suspicious towards them.

@BenduLuke said that vin was using brass, pewter and zinc subconsciously, but when kelsier told her to try and inflame his emotions, she thought it wasn't possible because she had never been able to before, because she hadn't had access to zinc before.

23 hours ago, BenduLuke said:

Why do you think it takes 16 years to make a metalborn? Vin was metalborn from birth but she needed someone to train her to progress as fast as she did. She had been subconciously burning pewter, brass, and zinc for years with an extremely limited supply of them. We really don't know when Vin could have had full use of her abilities since until she was 16 she only had access to trace elements. It appears that once a person snaps they have full use of their abilities depending on whether they have the metals, then it is only a matter of learning how to use them.

vin only used pewter and brass subconsciously, because she never was able to riot emotions before kelsier tested her

the way i see the transportation and transformation surges is that transportation is the surge that represents movement, and transformation is the surge that represents things changing, such as a stone melting, and cooling, and it's a different type of rock, or how water can freeze, or evaporate. it's just the material changing. but these 2 surges are applied in the cognitive realm rather than the physical.

those would be very good uses of the visions. especially because of the time dilation, so it would be safe, and less time consuming.

35 minutes ago, cometaryorbit said:

One other thing is "training time". It seems like Mistborn learn fast - Kelsier was able to escape the supposedly-inescapable Pits of Hathsin like the day he Snapped (although that's probably due to using Atium). It takes a long time to go through the Oaths, it seems.

i feel that's not a fair comparison, because first, kelsier was an incredible thief before, and so the moment he got mistborn abilities, he probably could figure them out fast. also, as mentioned, atium. second, the oaths aren't just practicing abilities, they're also getting more powers.

i think it was pretty obvious that Raboniel's joy was authentic. just because she's a fused doesn't mean she's heartless, and she is one of the more sane fused, so of course she would be happy for her daughters death, because she finally is free from the madness, and immortality. i think lots of villains are thought of as heartless, but some of the best ones are the ones with depth, who have visible emotions, that are realistic.

maybe the pursuer didn't say storm because the heralds and fused and voidspren, don't want to "give to much power" to the stormfather, or like don't want to make them seem powerful by swearing by them, like how kelsier tells vin not to use the lord rulers name as a swear, because that "gives him power".

20 hours ago, KSub said:

I don't know what you're trying to say.

But magic sword beats rock.

that's fair.

gavilar reminds me the lord ruler, i mean seriously, gavilar's like "i have dscovered the entrance to the realm of gods", and TLR simply doesn't allow worship of anyone other than him, claiming to be a god

5 hours ago, KSub said:

That's entirely possible. So it's a battle in the cognitive realm. I think they must. I feel like they could be summoned like shardblades. If not they would be nearly defenseless fighting hand to hand.

excuse me, the heralds spend more time on Braize then roshar, so if they're doing hand to hand they'd be better because of how much practice they would have with a sword. notes the scene where nale pops up and tries to attack dalinar, and almost kills him without use of his shards

just to clarify, roshar, singers, and spren were originally created by adonalsium, not honor and cultivation. i'm pretty sure that singer forms are also from adonalsium

On 12/28/2020 at 6:09 PM, coolsnow7 said:

This is not true, and there’s WoB to that effect. I’ll see if I can find it.

 

EDIT: I think this is the one, but if not, there’s one that R’Shara and Karger cite every time we go down this dead end. 
 

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/332/#e12312

based on this we could theorize that tod could mold the shard to passion instead of odium, which would fit him much better. especially with helpers, such as cultivation.

i never cried about this, and i'm sad i didn't (this is the most frustrating things about me. i cry for people being mean to me, but when people die, in a book or real life, i just can't), but it was so beautiful, and tender, and wonderful. i was disappointed when she died just like that, because i was really looking forward to her coming to dalinar and working with him, and that bitterness and disappointment sat until here, where her death was the most amazing, wonderful thing in the book. she deserved this flashback, even if she didn't deserve to die. 

moash is sorry. otherwise he would not feel guilt. he believes that he is not because he saw killing teft as necessary, and thinks that he can't be sorry for necessity, but he can and is. he hates himself for all that he's done, and see's his blindness as what he deserves, so it doesn't heal. if he realizes that he was selfish, and brutal, then he'll realize that he is sorry, and that his unchaining was not right, and that kal was right, but eventually, will forgive himself with help (likely from kal).

7 hours ago, trav said:

I am glad Teft got killed. never liked that character.

don't take this the wrong way but how could you!?!?!?

on a more serious note, why. lots of people like him, and he makes huge character growth over the books. he's one of my favorite characters, and i'm honestly intrigued by why you dislike him

more unpopular opinions

1. i do think that part one was important, as it introduced you to the book and setting after the timeskip.

2. i am a fan of navani bonding the sibling, because others wouldn't fit a scholarly spren, and she can adjust her fabrials, and learn more with help from the sibling. but dabbid still needs a spren

3. i liked when kal saved his father, because it's him seeing he couldn't save the others, but there was someone who he could save, and the joke was nice, it made me laugh the way you laugh when a character forces laughter at a joke, and on top of this, it was showing kals newfound levity with his self forgiveness. it was there to show a few things, including kal forgiving his father for saying that only one could be right. the levity didn't remove the tenderness of the vision with tien, and instead made the moment seem more realistic.

if chana is shallans mom then i have to ask, are the eyes in the picture green, because shallans moms eyes were bright green and i can't tell because i'm slightly red-green colorblind, if so, then it's incredibly possible, but if not, then it's much less likely, because they would have to specifically change their eye color, which i don't think they can do. if a dustbringers eyes turn green when they summon their blade (i don't know if they do, just thinking) then a heralds eyes might also change to the color of their radiant order.

still, shallan gave kaladin pattern and not testament, so i think she has been using pattern and all the ten heartbeats for shallan has been just her perception morphing her use and rules of the blade. had she summoned a blade to defend against pattern in way of kings, she would have used testament, because she had not sworn her third ideal, but after she did i think she subconsciously used pattern and could tell the difference between her two blades.

i believe in the cosmere, the "soul" has a slight connection to all three aspects of someone (or two or one, for a spren and other beings) and that when the soul senses these dying, it severs connection and leaves for the beyond, and any investiture reconnects it to the being, and it stops disconnecting when it sees the being is stable (alive and not dying), so when anti-investiture starts destroying it, it disconnects to escape the anti investiture and goes to the beyond. this theory is also supported by the knowledge that the more invested you are, the longer it takes for your soul to pass on to the beyond. the soul would be able to disconnect faster than nightblood could consume it, so the fused would also have passed on to the beyond. there is no reason to believe that spren don't have souls with the wob's we've gotten.