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In chapter 71 of TLM, Harmony gives Wayne "the faintest bit of lerasium", Preservation's godmetal that granted Allomantic access to all metals. Harmony said that Wax created it while trying to split harmonium with trellium. Then, later on, in Kelsier's Epilogue, he says that lerasium is all annihilated in the explosion between those two godmetals. 

Hence, the question: Why did Harmony lie to Kelsier?

My theory on this: Harmony represents equilibrium and stillness, not change, right? Then telling Kelsier about this new discovery (harmonium can be split and lerasium can be created) would mean that he would soon be producing lerasium (even though just in little quantities, as Autonomy has retreated from Scadrial and the trellium (bavadinum) available is scarce), a fact that would bring obvious change to the world. 

Let me put this in other words: Harmony telling Kelsier about lerasium equals acting towards change, and that's why god didn't say a word about it. 

It's kind of a weak theory, too simple if you ask me, but it fits. 

Anyway, what are your thoughts on this?

I like this. I think Harmony is going to become Discord in Era 3. We'll see how that goes.

5 hours ago, lacrossedeamon said:

Given that the contents of them has been tweaked over time there is some wiggle room.

I'd bet this "Discord" part wasn't changed by Ruin, because he didn't even understand it, so he should've left it intact.

I think TLM finale's intent is to close much of what came with Era 2, while also opening new paths for Era 3. Assuming that Autonomy will come back in not even centuries, but probably decades, it's possible that Era 3 will take place 50-100 years from TLM, and maybe Wax's children will have some relevant roles there.

Personally, I liked the ending. It settled a fine amount of questions and secrets, which I ADORE, and now I can't be more hyped for era 3! 

16 hours ago, Dawnshard said:

That is a very interesting theory. I just assumed he couldn't use his abilities because his soul was attached but not his abilities. 

That could still be the case, but I'm inclined to think that his Spiritual aspect hasn't changed or been altered, neither by his death nor by anything else. 

On 16/11/2022 at 6:17 PM, robardin said:

We were also promised that Era 3 would feature a kind of "SWAT Team" of Metalborn that included a Nicroburst - something I was disappointed (and a bit disbelieving) we didn't see in Era 2. Like, we see four new metals introduced to Scadrial that were "off the charts" and unknown to the people of TFE in cadmium, bendalloy, chromium, and nicrosil... But we only ever see people Pulsing, Sliding, and Leeching!

We see how awed Marasi, Wayne, and Wax are by not-Wax's freakishly powerful Steelpushes, reasoning that he must have acquired a spike for duralumin (harvested from a poor Misting "gnat" who would have taken some digging to even discover)... Why wouldn't they have seen tag-team mega-Pushes or Pulls before with a nicroburst Misting? Or used/seen an "allomantic grenade" with a nicroburst charge in it (the Set still had their own such "grenades")?

It's like nicrobursts didn't even exist in Era 2, because if they did, they should have been in VERY high demand, especially among the constabulary.

I'd love to see a small character with this power, with Lift vibes, who basically jumps over people's backs like Max did in The Lost Metal, and gives them that burst of power. That'd be fun!

So, this is my first theory in years, and I maybe did two before this; also, English is not my mother tongue. Furthermore, I just finished The Lost Metal, and haven't given the proper time to research and revise WoBs before I write this (anyone does?). Therefore, I apologize beforehand for whichever mistake I make.

Now, let's get to it:

In Kelsier's epilogue, he thinks about how Hemalurgy "had proven ineffective on what he'd become. It held his soul and body together, but no more", and he had hope, "hope he'd be able to touch the metals he could see in the world all around him". We're going to ignore the question that arises, if he can or can't physically touch metals, and instead understand his words as "Kelsier cannot use Allomancy in his current state".

Does this mean that Kelsier has lost his prime Allomantic abilities? Did it happen when the Lord Ruler killed him? I think that's not the case, though there could be some WoB that say otherwise. I think that, when Kelsier died, the ability to access Allomancy was severed, but not extinguished. Much more like the link between his physical body and his congnitive shadow state were severed. We know that his eye's spike is made of steel, therefore it lacks something to link body to mind and soul. 

That brings us to the following theory:I think Kelsier had another spike before getting his eye's, this one made of aluminum. And here's why:

Aluminum, according to the chart in TLM Ars Arcanum, has the Feruchemical power to store Identity. Also, as a Hemalurgic spike, it has the power to remove all powers. Hence, the core of my theory is that he used some kind of Aluminum medallion to store his Identity there (though I don't know if a cognitive shadow can access medallions, or if there's a WoB explaining it), then got someone to move it to the Physical Realm and stab his body with it, we don't know where. BUT, as he was Mistborn, the aluminum spike removed all his former powers and, potentially, his ability to use his steel one to touch metals around him.

That would also could explain why Lerasium wouldn't work on him, as Sazed says, since the aluminum spike would automatically wipe out the new powers Lerasium brought.

So, that's my theory for you guys. I hope I made it alright. Comments, opinions and insightful responses from someone who knows WAY more than I do would be appreciated.

Thanks everybody for reading this far!!!

2 hours ago, Karger said:

As a fun side note Mraize probably has breath himself(he seems to have a life sense).

I keep gawking at how you guys keep inferring this kind of stuff from every little piece of information Brandon gives us readers.

2 hours ago, cvamoca said:

Can I piggyback on this and ask does anyone know why Vasher and Nightblood parted- is that in a book or short story or was in in Dawnshard or a WOB? I enjoyed Warbreaker so much, he's one of my favourite cranky characters.

In the State of the Sanderson 2020, he said what's on the quote below, so we probably won't be getting any new Warbreaker or Elantris books before 2025... But I hope he changes his mind because Warbreaker is also one of my favorite Cosmere books!

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ELANTRIS, WARBREAKER, RITHMATIST

As you probably expected, no motion here. I didn’t plan for there to be any this year, though all three should get a sequel eventually. I’ve been targeting the post-Stormligh-Five timeline for these. I could see slipping Rithmatist 2 in between Mistborn Era 3 books, for example, when I need a break.

Status: No motion (Sorry again.)

21 hours ago, Karger said:

Genocide of entire races of people who happen to be the best friends of the sacrifice is a bit more dramatic then choosing to serve a god who will help you fight some invaders.

I didn't mean the Recreance was not dramatic or a serious and important fact, I just think that the events before the First Desolation are more mysterious and, therefore, interesting to me as of now, probably because we don't know a thing about what happened back then.

2 hours ago, WasingtheWhy said:

I don't know if genocide is the right word, but it amounts to about the same thing, really. The spren chose to sacrifice themselves. It was agreed upon by both parties of the bond.

That is also something I'd like to keep in mind. It was not a genocide! They chose, and at this point it's difficult to tell if they're dead or not... 

3 hours ago, WasingtheWhy said:

 

I do think it would be interesting to know the exact chain of events that brought the singers to Odium's side.

I hope that Brando gives us the answers we need in Stormlight 5. Storms, I'm dying to know more of that!

Am I the only one who is more excited about knowledge on what happened before the First Desolation than the Recreance? Like, yeah, 9/10 of the Knights Radiant broke their oaths and flew away from existence, but are you seriously comparing that to the Dawnsingers (presumably) giving up their spren bond in order to come to serve under Odium's wings?? What on the Almighty's storming name happened there???!?!

Please tell me that I'm not alone here! Also I wanna know your theories on what happened both in the Recreance and before the True Desolstion. I can't wait to find some clues about that on book 5!!!!

7 hours ago, Scout_Fox said:

Welcome to the Shard Carles! We are delighted to have you come join us and with RoW out it is the perfect time for that theory goodness  

Hope you find tons of awesome discussion to hop into and theories to peruse! We will love chatting with you whenever you get the chance to be on. I'd definitely get to some of the non-Cosmere whenever you get the chance they are an excellent addition to the Sando experience!

Oh and because we know it makes you feel so welcomed we gotta slap you with a "you did something wrong"  Lols no biggie but mods prefer if you keep everything in one post. You can tap the plus icon next to Quote on multiple people's posts to quote them all at once in one mega post! Look forward to seeing you around!

Thanks for both the welcome and the advice! I'll try to keep that on mind!!

3 hours ago, More Cynical Than Funny said:

Welcome to the Shard! If you could kill one character who would it be?

I'd probably kill Taravangian. I'm too scared of him at this point to be honest...

3 hours ago, Hoid the Drifter said:

Who's your favorite character and which character do you hate the most?

What order of radiant are you/ do you want to be?

If you could choose one allomantic power, what would you choose?

What about one feruchemical power?

if you were a twinborn, what would you want to be?

Of all the powers in the cosmere, which one do you most want to have?

How many more questions can i ask before you stop reading this?

there's no hopefully when talking about the cosmere, by the way.

oh, another question: which of sando's books do you like the most? This includes not cosmere books like reckoners, legion, rithmatist

Lots of questions! I love it HAHAHA

Favourite character? Maybe Adolin or Venli. Most hated character? I don't hate anyone, but I dislike Autonomy because of what she seems to be doing...

I did the Knights Radiant test and I think I got Willshaper first and Windrunner second or vice versa, but with a difference of 1% between them. 

Allomantic power? Bronze for sure! I'd love to be ablo to see if anyone is using any Invested Art near me. 

Feruchemical power? If I was a Ferring, Duralumin; if I was a full Feruchemist, a combination of both Aluminium and Nicrosil!

Twinborn? Probably a steel or tin compounder!

I'd love to have breath or access to the Aon Dor like an Elantrian probably.

My favourite book so far has been RoW, and I've not read anything out of Cosmere stuff yet!

Aaaand I think I've answered everything! Ha, you didn't think I would, did you? That was fun!!! 

3 hours ago, Aon Tia said:

Welcome to the shard! Yes it is a good time to join the shard. A lot happening at the discussion forums! 
What are the books that you have read in cosmere?

Thanks! I've read all the Cosmere stuff I think. I started in March, and I finished Sixth of the Dusk, the last story I read of the Arcanum Unbouded, on September. Then, I finished RoW last week and Dawnshard yesterday, and I've been listening to the Shardcast ever since!

Hello there everybody!

My name is Carles, and I'm here to express some of my theories about the Cosmere! I'm addressing myself as a forumhopper because probably I'll stick here for some time, writing and reading some theories, and then I'll leave for another period of time, then I'll come back and leave once more, etc. That's how I work, I'm afraid. I just can't stick and be active on a forum for a long period of time, nor I have the time to do so. 

Anyway, in the time that I get to stay close to you people, I'll surely learn some interesting stuff about Sando's work, about what are the general thoughts about the Cosmere's mysteries, and, hopefully, have some fun! See you around!

CarTorSan