Lightdancer

10 hours ago, Frustration said:

recently I've gotten reallly good ideas the same way we make new elements.

I have a bunch of concepts, things I want, anda general feel, and I smash them together a bunch of times until eventually they stick

Idea fusion. I like it.

On 11/21/2020 at 7:58 AM, TheOneKEA said:

Here's my guess at Kaladin's Fifth Ideal:

"I will accept that others can protect themselves."

As far as foreshadowing for this goes, we have a lot. This isn't even all of it:

Kaladin struggles with the idea that "Bridge 4" as it once was no longer exists.

As someone mentioned above, he questions Tien for going out with the other spearmen.

He's always had a... let's say "possessiveness." Especially in the Way of Kings, he refers to Bridge Four as "they're my men" (emphasis mine). Now, that's not all bad- Bridge Four kind of needed someone to take ownership and leadership of them, and Kaladin has always strived to help them. But he does have a tendency to accumulate little groups of people whom he struggles to let go: spearmen, slaves, bridgemen, Singers, wall guards, space-whales... I digress.

I think there's a lot of foreshadowing for a Fifth oath related to giving people agency. I don't think this is a huge flaw in Kaladin (at least not to the extent that it could be), but I would like to see him acknowledge that other people have agency for their choices and actions, and it's not all his fault. He's already begun to acknowledge this by ROW, but an Oath might be a nice way to tie that up.

Well, reading the theory, I think this would be epic.

On 3/2/2021 at 11:12 AM, Jofwu said:

"He must pick it up, the fallen title! The tower, the crown, and the spear!"

One note on this that I don't think has been mentioned yet in this thread. Kaladin has "set aside" the spear at the end of RoW. As Jofwu quoted, he need to take time away from the battlefield. During RoW itself, the spear turned into a symbol of Kaladin's life as a soldier on the front lines, and he went through a lot of turmoil when he "picked it up" to defend Urithiru.

So when I read this death rattle (in the context of Kaladin taking Dalinar's place), it sounds like picking up "the fallen title" may come with some sort of combat role. I'm not happy about that, because Kaladin needs his rest and therapy, but I can visualize a cool Sanderlanch where Dalinar dies, becomes a Fused, or Ascends, and Kaladin has to take his place in the middle of a battle and turn the tide.

Just one?... Kaladin, since he's my favorite. It might be difficult to get him into a conversation, though. The optimal situation is Kaladin, Adolin and Shallan all together. Now that would be a good conversation.

Wow! These are great. Have you considered drawing Leshwi?

9 hours ago, Jofwu said:

We just created energy.

A more simple point to highlight the issue is that we've applied F to two masses but the person pushing only felt a reaction of F rather than 2F. We're violating Newton's second law. (equal, opposite reactions)

To be fair, that's not outside the bounds of the rules for the cosmere. Investiture lets us break rules, so it COULD work that way. I don't think that's Brandon's intent however. I guess we would need something more explicit from the books on the matter to prove

Oh! Good catch. I agree; that’s probably not what Brandon is trying to do. 

I’m going to have to think about this more. It sounds like you’re on the right track. 

That was very enjoyable.

4 hours ago, Jofwu said:

Change that to conjoiners and it's a little odd though. You get m1*g - m2*g = (m1 - m2)*g which... suggests the amount of friction depends on how comparable the masses are? I would think two falling conjoined gems just basically fall under their own weights, together, and so there's no transfer of force between them. No tension in the rope. So something doesn't seem right here.

I think a more useful way would be to think of the conjoiners as lying on a frictionless surface, with the positive direction parallel to the ground. That negates the extra acceleration from gravity that's throwing that scenario out of wack. (The surface is frictionless so that our fictional friction can take real friction's place in the equation.)

What I said above depends on a possibly-wrong assumption. In real physics, objects dropping like that would experience no friction (besides air resistance). However, objects moving along a surface would experience friction, since the normal force is pressing them into the ground. (The force of friction is equal to -F_Nμ, with F_N normally equaling the force perpendicular to the main force. Thus, if F_N=0, there is no friction.) However, we've seen no reason for this to apply to conjoiners, since there would be no "normal force" affecting them. (Perhaps there's a Spiritual Realm equivalent?)

When I visualize this situation, I leave out the ropes entirely and assume that whatever forces are exerted on the first mass are exerted on the second, and vice versa. I drew this diagram:

Unfortunately that loaded sideways, but I basically drew a diagram of the force exerted on each mass. Since each individual mass had more force exerted on it than if it were falling on its own, it accelerates faster. For example, if F2=M2g, then M1 accelerates at A1=F2/M1+g, or A1=(M2/M1+1)g. In other words, each mass will accelerate faster than if it were falling on its own. How much faster depends on both masses. In the simplest language, both conjoiners would fall faster.

That doesn't address how "decay" would affect this situation. I would assume that the greater the distance between the conjoiners, the smaller the additional acceleration would be.

Hopefully that makes sense. Feel free to correct my math.

34 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

Harmony can't find Invention again after initial contact, implying they are not on a planet. Perhaps on a spaceship flotilla or one giant spaceship. A society with no planet would necessitate a lot of invention and creative use of resources, satisfying the Shard intent. 

Everyday living under Invention's influence is like this:

 

Brilliant. Have an upvote. 

This isn't for any particular purpose. I've just noticed that there are a lot of popular options for Odium's champion (Gavinor, Adolin, Szeth), while there are some people that never seem to come up.

I haven't scored the forums to see if these people have been mentioned- if I list your theorized champion feel free to call me out.

• Jasnah
• Renarin
• Lift
• Navani
• Lirin
• Rock
• Chanarach, or really any not-too-prominent Herald (although, there are some cool Shallan theories that could take Chanarach off the list)
• Felt
• Thaidakar
• Iyatil

I can't really think of anyone else- I really wanted to bring up Jasnah though. Let me know who I missed.

5 hours ago, Valigus said:

Kaladin likes him to roshar seems to be the only place he is forming positive relationships 

That... that is true. Huh.

On 1/30/2021 at 7:12 PM, Kyn said:

it’s entirely possible (likely, even) that at least certain Radiant Orders ascribed to something like the above tenets.

Completely separate from the rest of these trains of thought, I could see the Skybreakers historically following a strict "Just War" or battlefield code. Maybe if we had more good Skybreakers, we'd see something like this develop.

3 hours ago, Master Silver said:

Even though Jasnah is the best at Transformation, I think it would take a light weaver+bondsmith to remake and unmade

We already have an instance of a Lightweaver confronting an Unmade- two of them (three if you count Sja Anat). The most intense confrontation was Shallan's confrontation with the Midnight Mother in Uririthu (Oathbringer). I don't remember the scene exactly, but I think it was implied that the Unmade (the Midnight Mother) had encountered a Lightweaver before. Also, Shallan only drove her away- it seemed like it was possible for her to do more.

1 hour ago, teknopathetic said:

If I were odium I would choose a Reshi Isle to fight for me. What now, Dalinar? 

Ready the anti-voidlight bombs. (Maybe evacuate everyone first, though.)

17 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Maybe because he has Breath? It’s her Investiture.

Mistborn Secret History spoilers:

17 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Reminds me of when I went to go look up Nightblood after reading Warbreaker (because Nightblood is awesome) and the page proudly warned me that it contained Spoilers for Oathbringer...

 I have a similar story. I read Oathbringer first. When I started Warbreaker I realized I recognized that mysterious talking sword...

I think discord (of some sort) would be an interesting theme for a ketek.

13 hours ago, Pandora's shard said:

The problem I have for Lift being Cultivation's heir as in succeeding her in becoming a vessel of the shard is that, a shards vessel becomes too limited a character. That vessel cannot be at a forefront as doing a lot of things. As a manipulator, the vessel and shard is good. But, as a character in a story, they can almost never be at a forefront. 

Lift if too good a character to just let go like that. She if funny, awesome, goes to places where she is not supposed to go, she has such an out of ordinary gift from cultivation of not changing even when everything around her changes.. and Brandon has said that he is grooming her for bigger things in future books. She is also weird in that she can convert food into lifelight!! 

So, spurn such a character to be a shard? No. That is too obvious. 

One story that looks possible is when there exists no other magic, her use of lifelight can act as a contingency.

Also, the fact that she does not need an external source of investiture for her magic.. wow.. it would be so easy for her to go to other planets and do all kind of stuff if only it could be figured out about how the spren could leave Roshar.. if that happens, suddenly, Lift becomes such a potent power in Cosmere.. 

And then, she has this weird way of finding out what's the truth and which side is right. Read her parts and despite her being so young, she understands the situation so quick.. and finds the right side, and then fight for it.. hell, she sorts out situations so quick.. find solutions and a the time, she is awesome!! This can lead to her being in direct opposition of all our expectations, and when all of us think, the story is going to one way, she may find out the truth and support the other side.. there are so many possibilities with her character.. 

That's why, I thing just grooming her as a potential next cultivation vessel is a bit wasteful. 

But then again, Brandon already has the story in his mind. I am just excited to see how he uses Lift in this magical tapestry that is Stormlight Archive and Cosmere. 

 

That's a fascinating analysis. I'm also excited to see where this goes.

2 hours ago, AonDii said:

nah, he's an Allomantic zinc/Feruchemical zinc/Allomantic steel/Feruchemical steel twinborn/hemalurgist

At this point, I think we might as well just call him a Fullborn 

This makes so much sense!

Wow!

2 hours ago, ReaderAt2046 said:

Or possibly Testament was Pattern's mother, or daughter.

I like yours better.

I like this explanation. It fits with the theme of Odium becoming more and more invested in Roshar. Compared to the theories that Mishram used to be an ordinary Bondsmith spren (which I still think are cool), I feel like this makes the most sense.

18 hours ago, metaldragon said:

Dalinar loses to Odiums challenger 

2. Kaladin ascends to honor.

3. Honor kamikaze into odium leaving Both shards and Dalinar picking them up with his new shard making him the big bad and free to leave Roshar.

Who better to carry the Shard of war than Dalinar? What better opposite to Harmony?

Besides what everyone already said about Mistborn, I think this would be perfect. Perhaps Brandon pulls a twist on it...?

On 12/9/2020 at 5:46 AM, Mayalaran said:

¨Maya will say the words and heal herself and learn to summon Adolin as a Shardblade! Adolin will be very confused about this development but very supportive.¨

I want this so much.

23 hours ago, ReaderAt2046 said:

Actually, I have a theory on this: I think Pattern took this binding because of Testament's death. I think he felt that if he could bond Shallan, if he could make her a Radiant as Testament tried to, it would mean that Testament's death was not in vain.

Pattern and Testament romance, perhaps?