Aranfan

I suspect that this is a game-power-balance issue.

Like Feruchemy storing being a discrete process with hour long quanta, instead of a continuous process able to be turned on and off whenever? That makes sense.

That would be an excellent explanation for why Marsh got both Allo and Feru Atuim spikes from Ruin. There might even have been a spike for Feruchemical Nicrosil as well to give him even more time to look.

I would say that one of the reasons Saze would have for giving marsh the Atium he needs to live for a long time is to keep in balance, remember that there's more Preservation in people than there is Ruin, so if Saze wants to keep in balance he needs to get rid of some of ruin's power. Giving atium to Marsh seems to kill two birds with one stone, as it were.

On a completely different note, the game mistakenly states that burning Duralumin depletes your reserves of Duralumin itself, as well as everything else. This is explicitly countermanded in the Assembly battle of WoA.

I noticed that as well. In fact, it said that for all the "enhancement" metals even though I can't really see either chromium or nicrosil being useful if they burn away instantly. I can see them burning really fast, but not going poof like Aluminum.

One reason why Vin is so clingy to Elend is that he came back for her in the first book. Only two people came to save her when TLR captured her, Saze and Elend. That made a big impression on her, especially so soon after she found out that Reen actually spend his last moments protecting her at the cost of his life.

I will again put forward the benefit of being able to use the metalminds of the feruchemist who the spike was made out of.

I actually like "Drain" although it has the same problems as Flood.

Because getting less out than you put in is Ruin's shtick! Ruin shouldn't get 2 of the 3 magic systems on Scadrial!

No, it does not.

If it did, it would be 30 min at 200% and 20 min at 250%.

Hmm, you appear to be right. That's dumb and doesn't fit at all with how Feruchemy is described in the books at all. There is no mention of this in the books when anybody who is a Feruchemist exposits about Feruchemy. Infact I'm pretty sure Sazed expelitly says there is no energy loss when refering to storing mass in Well of Ascension, I'll have to re-read it again to be sure though.

Except that in that example there is no loss of power when tapping a large ammount at once. The so called "diminishing" is an artifact of using percentages of your normal (not tapping, not storing) attribute as the unit of measure in the example, not any actual loss of the attribute during transfer. The math in that example works out to conservation, not loss.

That doest work if you go with the "no energy loss when tapping for a lot" route though. Which I do. The only benefit I can see is being able to use the metalminds of the slaughtered Feruchemist.

The so called "diminishing returns" in Feruchemy in that explanation aren't really diminishing at all. It's an artifact of how you can't actually store 100% of any given atribute for any given time period without significant and sometimes fatal complications.

I can't remember Miles' actual last name atm, but I remember he had one. I think it started with a "d".

This is as hilarious as your usual fare WalkerBoh. Welcome to these forums!

Might just have been bank notes overlaying a gold or silver standard.

I recall that they got deflected both ways.

Of course there are resources, there's an entire world outside the basin. Also, the robber barons didn't happen until the frontier closed shortly after the civil war. And the noble houses seem fairly old and entrenched in their power.

The trade unions imply some form of socialism. I do have to wonder how the Noble Houses are able to be such major forces in the economy with the entire world as a frontier though, historically in America the frontier drove up wages significantly, and the American fronteir pales compared to the entire known and unknown world outside the basin.

It makes even less sense when you consider that most of the survivors of Hero of Ages would be ex-skaa who would be poorly disposed to the surviving nobles getting special privileges (cept maybe Breeze).

I think TLR felt it would be best for him to feel his age sometimes, and that he didn't really ever need to spend time old.

Alternatively, that was when he was rebuilding his stored charges, and didn't have enough youth stored up in the unburned new metalminds to stay at the age he usually kept himself at.

Yes, the styles could easily change dramatically between drafts, the amount of time passing is really less of a concern for this sort of thing. The styles are too different for all the Ars Arcanum to be from the same version of the same work, if that work isn't a compilation.

As I said, different drafts of the same work could be an explanation. I also agree that it's more likely to be a complier.

The irony of this statement is incredible.

That is all.

Edit: Emphasis is mine.

Also, unless you were trolling. If you were, it was a pretty good troll and people did a very good job of not feeding you. I have issues with feeding trolls. It makes me predictable, but it is alas very fun.

Brandon isn't an in-universe guy trying to come up with a scientific understanding of the investitures. If it is a single guy without mental problems, then we aren't seeing the same draft in each book. The styles are too different, compare the Ars Arcanum in Warbreaker to the Steel Alphabet Circle in the first Mistborn Trilogy.

Part of that could be due to the incredible mass that Wax had at the time. He had added enough to make the floor of an old and well built mansion collapse under him.

Which wouldn't explain nothing bad happening to Marasi.

Actually, yeah, I mistyped, velocity is direction/time not just distance. I was actually thinking about how if momentum is actually conserved it might be the time element being shunted into direction that is causing the deflections. If conservation of momentum is maintained.

What if the known hemalurgic metals can steal stuff from other magic systems, but we don't know about it because those systems don't exist on Scadrial? There's the fact that different metals steal differenent Feruchemy and Allomancy, but I'm just throwing the thought out.

I think we are missing something here.

Back at the beginning of this discussion Peter said

I think this is important for two reasons.

1. I have learned to never ignore something Peter says - even if it is misdirection it can be informative.

2. There is a rather large issue with conservation of momentum with the speed bubbles.

Momentum is defined by p=m*v where p is momentum, m is mass, and v is velocity. In classic physics and in special relativity is is always conserved. This means that barring outside forces an objects momentum will not change. So when an object passes through the time barrier some outside force is acting on it to change its momentum. But how can that be used for FTL?

Except that isn't quite right. Momentum is m*d/t, where d is distance and t is time. The bubbles screw with the "t" term in that equation. How exactly that screwery manifests can have all kinds of applications.